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Ranking the Superman films — Page 5

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Does this mean you hate the awesome speech at the end of Kill Bill Vol. 2?

Not enough people read the EU.

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Dek Rollins said:

Also, do you remember when Superman: The Movie and Superman II were made? 1978 and 1979 definitely happened before 1985.

Yes, they predated that year. Knowing that doesn’t make them better films. In my opinion, they still fall flat as films independent of Clark’s/Superman’s characterization.

And I’m also curious as to the way in which the things you’ve mentioned treated this subject. How was Clark Kent portrayed differently from Superman in these? etc…

Clark wasn’t clumsy, bumbling, cowardly, etc. He was assertive, competent, and athletic. Basically, he is who his parents – Jonathan and Martha Kent, that is – raised him to be.

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I’ve always attributed the clumsy, bumbling, cowardly, to him trying to hide any ideas that he’s Superman. He wants to keep his identities unknown, and his decision to be without a mask as Superman means he needs to keep people he knows from seeing through it.

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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Dek Rollins said:

I’ve always attributed the clumsy, bumbling, cowardly, to him trying to hide any ideas that he’s Superman.

I think DE might be the only one who doesn’t get this. I thought it was commonly understood and I’ve never heard of anyone complaining about it.

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TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

I’ve always attributed the clumsy, bumbling, cowardly, to him trying to hide any ideas that he’s Superman.

I think DE might be the only one who doesn’t get this. I thought it was commonly understood and I’ve never heard of anyone complaining about it.

Right. If he hadn’t acted like that, Lois would’ve caught on immediately. As soon as Supes would come to save her, she’d yell “Clark?!”

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Dek Rollins said:

I’ve always attributed the clumsy, bumbling, cowardly, to him trying to hide any ideas that he’s Superman. He wants to keep his identities unknown, and his decision to be without a mask as Superman means he needs to keep people he knows from seeing through it.

So going out of his way to draw attention to himself with a Steve Urkel act is supposed to draw attention away from himself?

Sorry, but I’ve got a better idea; no one would suspect Clark is Superman because Clark is just so damn average in appearance and mannerism that no one would even begin to suspect that he’s the larger-than-life red-blue-and-yellow clad Kryptonian demigod.

In other words, he’d have no reason to “play up” Clark since Superman himself is already innately played up.

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Are you suggesting that superman is in anyway illogical and unrealistic? Because I won’t have it.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

In other words, he’d have no reason to “play up” Clark since Superman himself is already innately played up.

It isn’t entirely unrealistic that he over did it. That’s what I said before, rather than being a boring average joe, he wanted to appear a polar opposite.

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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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I thought we all agreed that you were wrong?

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TV’s Frink said:

I thought we all agreed that you were wrong?

I thought we all agreed you know jackshit about the character and thus any opinion you have on how he should be interpreted is next to worthless?

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I’m in agreement with Frink. And how can you be so definitive about how a character should act when there’ve been so many countless, varied interpretations?

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This sure is a heated discussion over Superman.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

TV’s Frink said:

I thought we all agreed that you were wrong?

I thought we all agreed you know jackshit about the character and thus any opinion you have on how he should be interpreted is next to worthless?

It seems as if the very little I know has helped me at least be rational about it…

But yeah, what Possessed said.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

TV’s Frink said:

I thought we all agreed that you were wrong?

I thought we all agreed you know jackshit about the character and thus any opinion you have on how he should be interpreted is next to worthless?

Also, you don’t know anything more about the character than Frink does, because <insert what possessed said>. You can’t just claim that you know more about a fictional character if you weren’t the creator/writer for said character at some point. And, no, nobody agreed to that statement. You also ended your statement with a question mark.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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I’ve been a Superman fan since 1994 at the latest. I’m familiar with most major iterations of the character, inside the comics and outside, Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, and Modern Age, in-continuity and outside-of-continuity. I’m familiar with the Superman who pines for Krypton and would toss his glasses in the nearest garbage bin at the first opportunity and the Superman who sees Earth as his one true home and considers himself a Kansas farmboy at heart; I know which of those two Supermen resonates the most for me.

So yeah, I certainly do know a quite bit more about the goddamn character than Frink does, so I don’t appreciate having my opinion cavalierly stated as wrong by him, especially since it’s not a new concept I just pulled out of my ass but one professional writers have been all quite eagrely working with for some 29-odd years.

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I was just pointing out that you telling Frink that he knows nothing of the character when you can’t possibly know all there is, because you didn’t create any iteration of the character yourself. You may have opinions about what you interpret from the character(s) you’ve encountered, but you can’t claim you have more knowledge on how the character should be, and to say that Frinks opinion doesn’t matter is just as well as me saying your opinion doesn’t matter. Because it doesn’t. And neither does mine, come to think of it.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Mourning This Thread
You Klingon Bastards Killed My Thread

Time to go fly around the Earth to bring back a time before Frink v. Duracell: Thread of Injustice

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DuracellEnergizer said:

So yeah, I certainly do know a quite bit more about the goddamn character than Frink does, so I don’t appreciate having my opinion cavalierly stated as wrong by him, especially since it’s not a new concept I just pulled out of my ass but one professional writers have been all quite eagrely working with for some 29-odd years.

I was only referencing that everyone seemed to agree on Clark except for you. I wasn’t fully serious, and I certainly don’t care - I’m “meh” about all things Superman at best.

This appears to be an argument between two guys where one guy REALLY cares and the other guy is like shrug.

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Stripes reference FTW.

Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.