Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 35

At last I have rewatched TFA, 4 months after my initial theater viewings.

So, my final ranking of all 7 films (note that I only like the episodes ranked 1 to 2; rank 3 is watchable; last rank wins by KO) is :

1. ANH/TESB
2. ROTJ
3. ROTS
4. TPM
5. TFA
6. AOTC

Now with fan edits of the PT considered instead of their theatrical counterparts (Hal9000’s versions)

1. ANH/TESB
2. ROTJ
3. ROTS
4. TPM
5. AOTC
6. TFA

The TV series:

1. Clone Wars
2. Rebels
3. The Clone Wars

Well, I guess now I don’t really care about VIII and IX. I will watch them (and most probably I will buy the soundtrack albums) but I feel uninterested about what’s happening next. The saga ends with ROTJ for me, and starts with a good fan edit of the PT when I’m in a good mood (I could reconsider if a very strong new cut of VII was to be edited some day). I sincerely thought I would enjoy it more knowing the flaws and the strengths, but it seems it didn’t work as I would have loved it to work. Hopefully James Cameron is going to deliver the Avatar sequels that could quench thirst for good sci-fi flicks in the next few years. David Twohy might also finish his Riddick saga with a fourth entry. As for Rogue One, I’ll wait for it without any hopes.

I always found the idea of our heroes dancing with teddy bears and winning a war (thanks to teddy bears) that should have gone on way longer to not be the finale Star Wars deserved. Even if TFA had been a total shit biscuit I would have been glad it pretty much negated the ending of ROTJ. Hopefully XII gives us the finale we deserve.

Yeah the ewok part of ROTJ is shitty but the movie has more to offer. And at least it concludes the trilogy. I sigh a little every time I finish TESB because I know what’s coming next is a disappointment. The weakness of ROTJ does not strength in any way TFA which is even weaker. The finale of TFA does not need furry characters to be shittier. It has Rey, worst SW main character ever.

MalàStrana said:

Yeah the ewok part of ROTJ is shitty but the movie has more to offer.

At least the Vader and Luke stuff was fucking great.

The weakness of ROTJ does not strength in any way TFA which is even weaker.

Well that’s not the only weakness. The Luke being Leia siblings thing was a cheap way of solving the love triangle and shrunk the universe and Yoda dying seemed forced. Also they never explained how Luke grew so much in strength between ESB and ROTJ; they didn’t even have a throw away line. And Death Star 2.0 is a more overt rehash than SKB.

The finale of TFA does not need furry characters to be shittier.

The only thing bad about the 3rd act of TFA is that it was rushed, the attack on SKB was eh…and Leia and Chewie don’t hug. In comparison to the silly fairy tale ending of ROTJ it was a masterpiece.

It has Rey, worst SW main character ever.

Good for you !

No, it’s true. Rey is much worse than…

-Jar-Jar
-Little Ani
-Grown-up Ani
-Nute Gunray
-Elan Sleazebagano
-The farting Eopie
-Greg Proops and the other head
-Firecracker-in-his-ass Yoda
-Backwards-talking-turned-up-to-11 Yoda
-In-love-with-Chewie Yoda
-Flying R2
-Blue-faced George
-Blue-faced Katie
-General Grievous
-Stunted Slime Nemoidian
-Girlfriend Beru
-Stiff-as-a-board Queen Amidala
-Panakacakes
-Spittleface Boss Nass
-That frog that eats a rat outside Jabba’s palace and then burps, foretelling the coming stain of the PT
-Boobs McTwi’lek

Well he did say main character but that doesn’t make the claim that less inane. Plus Luke and Anakin had three films to flesh them out whereas Rey has had one so I may be out of line when saying this but maybe we should wait until her arc is over before rendering judgement.

Dek Rollins said:

Elan Sleazebagano is probably my favorite ‘terrible name’ from the PT. I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if George himself named him.

Darth Icky

The EU christened him Elan Sel’Sabagno. I guess even they realized how stupid a name “Sleazebaggano” was and had to retcon it.

What a sel’sabag.

Ah, you had me with your list of rules until you stipulated TFA had to be better than the Prequels. There I beg to differ. I think you have to start with an awesome story and, as the edits and novelizations prove, the stories are good. I found TFA to be weak in that area. Abrams excels at character vinettes, but tends to fail at the greater story arc a movie or TV series needs. He is horrible with endings, which may be why instead of a real ending, we get a “to be continued” setup for the next film. TFA is rubbish in so many ways. It has great dialog, set design, and character development, but no substance and so many breaks in logical story telling that it is only the homages to the OT and the great characters that make it watchable.

And please tell me that Cameron isn’t actually going to do more Avatar movies. I couldn’t stomach sitting through another CG crapfest like that again. Worst SF movie I have ever seen.

yotsuya said:

Ah, you had me with your list of rules until you stipulated TFA had to be better than the Prequels. There I beg to differ. I think you have to start with an awesome story and, as the edits and novelizations prove, the stories are good.

Or not.

I found TFA to be weak in that area. Abrams excels at character vinettes, but tends to fail at the greater story arc a movie or TV series needs. He is horrible with endings, which may be why instead of a real ending, we get a “to be continued” setup for the next film.

I know, right? The Empire Strikes Back is a horrible movie.

The logical inconsistencies in pro-prequel arguments never fail to make me laugh.

yotsuya said:
It has great dialog, set design, and character development, but no substance and so many breaks in logical story telling that it is only the homages to the OT and the great characters that make it watchable.

And the only way the PT is watchable is with the help of illicit substances.

TV’s Frink said:

The logical inconsistencies in pro-prequel arguments never fail to make me laugh.

Only to be beaten by the emptiness of pro-TFA arguments 😄

PT, TFA… all are shitty.

MalàStrana said:
Only to be beaten by the emptiness of pro-TFA arguments 😄

Arguments that often end in favor of the pro-TFA people 😉