logo Sign In

Ranking the Batman films — Page 22

Author
Time

darth_ender said:

I’ve seen Batman Begins so many times, I decided to skip it this time, so I watch The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises for the first time in a few years. I have to say, I still really enjoy Batman Begins best (from memory, obviously), but I enjoy Rises next. It seems the majority’s favorite of the trilogy has officially been sealed as my least favorite, whereas in the past it was a tossup between TDK and TDKR. The Joker’s motivations are so confusing, his “dog chasing cars” bit contrasting so completely with his amazing clairvoyance of how to preemptively defeat the good guys, and the lack of focus on Bruce/Batman all disappoint me.

I feel like every few years I ramble off the same points on this forum. I’m sure I’ve said this elsewhere here. Anyway, Joker is hired to kill Batman, threatens to kill someone every day till Batman reveals himself, then tells Batman he doesn’t want to kill him (laughing at the very notion, because Batman completes him) and goes to great length to keep Batman’s identity hidden (and then in the end nearly kills him after all!). He says he doesn’t plan, he just does things, but he redirects a convoy to a vulnerable underground road with the necessary vehicles and weapons to defeat the convoy, knows when SWAT truck carrying Dent will return to the surface, and even has masked men ready with cables to take down a police chopper. He manages to get caught (and apparently wanted to), just so he could blow up the police station and capture Lau against all odds of this plan working out so well. He and his henchman are able to place explosives in closely monitored areas (hospitals are extremely closely-monitored facilities, as healthcare is one of the most regulated professions in the world). Yet, in spite of all this amazing planning, he convinces the brilliant DA that it was all just an impulse. Then there’s the stupidity in that he convinces the mob to pay him half their savings in cash so he can kill Batman, then when he gets paid for not killing Batman, he torches the cash, and all the mobsters’ flunkies decide to join him!

I’m sorry, but the logic to this movie was sorely lacking, and it really disappoints me. Yes, Ledger portrayed a great Joker, and Eckhart played a great Two Face, but that doesn’t excuse such mammoth lapses in logic. Its strongest point is its ending, where Batman is willing to take the fall for Harvey, proving that sometimes a lie is more valuable than the truth. It’s filled with numerous interesting moral dilemmas leading up to that ending, but still the plot just irritates me on a certain level.

TDKR is much more logical, even if there are certain points where suspension of disbelief is greater than in previous installments. Bane’s motives are clearer, and the movie is intense throughout. It’s definitely a bit longer than necessary, but overall I still love the movie.

And Batman Begins still remains my favorite, especially because the primary focus is on the hero and his journey to the point he is at.

http://screenrant.com/batman-begins-better-dark-knight-movie/

Author
Time
 (Edited)

The Dark Knight is the only Batman movie I enjoy.

EDIT: That’s far too harsh actually. I meant that The Dark Knight is the only one that is really rewatchable for me. I’m not much of a superhero guy though.

The Person in Question

Author
Time
  1. Batman Begins
  2. The Dark Knight
  3. Mask of the Phantasm
  4. Batman 1989
  5. Under the Red Hood
  6. Year One
  7. The Dark Knight Rises
  8. The Dark Knight Returns
  9. Batman Returns
  10. Batman v Superman (Ultimate Cut)
  11. Batman (1966)
  12. Batman Forever
  13. Batman & Robin
  14. The Killing Joke (last place due to the abomination that was the first 30 minutes)

I really need to check out the fan edit of TKJ that conforms the movie to the graphic novel. It would certainly be higher in my list than the official version.

Author
Time

I’m curious what the appeal is for the 1989 Batman. I find it pretty uneventful for the most part. There’s little action and not a particularly fascinating story. I think Batman Returns is a million times better. That movie is nuts and entertaining as hell; it’s even quite intense and scary at times.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

Well when it came out there weren’t as many options to choose from for a Batman movie that wasn’t for children or intentionally cheesy. There’s also the dark brooding atmosphere. And Jack Nicholson plays a fantastic joker. I don’t really see how it’s uneventful. I don’t even care about Batman but I like both 1989 and Returns.

Author
Time

My fondness for Batman '89 lies in the gothic atmosphere and Nicholson’s performance. That’s enough for me to prefer it over Returns, which I would’ve liked more if it weren’t for the absolute worst incarnation of the Penguin I’ve ever seen.

Author
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

My fondness for Batman '89 lies in the gothic atmosphere and Nicholson’s performance. That’s enough for me to prefer it over Returns, which I would’ve liked more if it weren’t for the absolute worst incarnation of the Penguin I’ve ever seen.

Pretty much this. I’m also not a fan of Catwoman in general and I really wish Billy Dee had come back so we could have gotten Harvey Dent instead of Christopher Walken’s random new character.

But Batman 89 gets Gotham right and Keaton’s portrayal of Bruce Wayne (not Batman) in it is pretty much the definitive Wayne in my mind.

Author
Time

I like the atmosphere too, but I don’t care much for Nicholson’s performance. It’s good I guess but it just kind of feels like nothing exciting happens. I love Christopher Walken as a villain and I think Catwoman was great too. Returns is just more entertaining for me.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

My fondness for Batman '89 lies in the gothic atmosphere and Nicholson’s performance. That’s enough for me to prefer it over Returns, which I would’ve liked more if it weren’t for the absolute worst incarnation of the Penguin I’ve ever seen.

You time traveled to the future and stole what I was going to say!

Author
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m curious what the appeal is for the 1989 Batman. I find it pretty uneventful for the most part. There’s little action and not a particularly fascinating story. I think Batman Returns is a million times better. That movie is nuts and entertaining as hell; it’s even quite intense and scary at times.

Yes.