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**RUMOR** Original theatrical cut of the OT to be released on blu ray!! — Page 9

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moviefreakedmind said:

What? I haven't changed my mind. If anything I just said they'll revert back to '04 content-wise because I don't think they'll add the extra rocks in front of R2 because those are completely minute and non-sensical.

Well if they aren't going to redo/reshoot the PT crap which is now stuck in 2K... then the version will pretty much end up being the 1997. Non-PT differences between 1997 and 2004/2011 are rather minor.

Unless they use the 2K and up-scale it to 4K which would be extremely embarrassing and unprofessional.

And no, saying the 97 and 11 SE's are identical is not the same as comparing the SE to the original; they're the same, just with updated Jabba and new prequel references (and without the scream in Empire).

That's like saying 15 and 16 are identical numbers, while 5 and 6 aren't...

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Ryan McAvoy said:

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moviefreakedmind said:

I don't think Lucasfilm will ever release any versions but the original and the current version.

I have a hard time believing that the '11 versions are the final versions. NOBODY likes Vader saying no, Han shooting second, Hayden as Anakin's ghost, etc. If there's any versions that there's no market for, it's the '11 versions.

 You'd be surprised at the amount of people who actually like Hayden's ghost.

Yes I was surprised. Apparently one lives in Wisconsin and the other in Stuttgart.

Yup. And between them, they have a couple of hundred different accounts on TFN. Really strange people.

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The 97SE elements are also stuck at 2K, only with the additional degradation of being put on film and then scanned back in, so up-scaling the 2004 and 2011 additions, while maybe doing something to make them look more like film (kind of like what emanswfan did here) would be no less professional, than scanning in the '97SE elements, since that is basically just upscaling from 2K too, only using different (and less detail-preserving) method.

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Would anyone at ILM have saved the original CGI files from 1997?

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SilverWook said:

Would anyone at ILM have saved the original CGI files from 1997?

Doubtful. Though I do remember them saying that they were able to use the same Boss Nass model from TPM in ROTS. But it's a difference of using seven year old modeling files vs eighteen year old files in this case.

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darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said:

darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said:

sadly I have little hope for seeing Shaw's ghost... :\

Why is that?

 Just intuition I guess; it's hard to put into words. It's kind of because, while it's completely atrocious to people like us, to the non-fan (or TFN guy) the Hayden change isn't non-sensical in the same way that Greedo shooting or the extra rocks are.

I'd love to be proven wrong though!

Gotcha, although I have the opposite intuition and I think that it is non-sensical. What's the point of making a ghost look younger?

 Yes, I agree, and I also personally think that Hayden's ghost is the most offensive of all the Special Edition changes, and I would be thrilled to see it gone. I still would be surprised if he's removed, but the more I think about it, that is a change that everybody notices (the 20 second video of Shaw's ghost from the GOUT, just Shaw and not a comparison of him and Hayden, has over 1.2 million views on youtube) since it really is the most obvious change because you have a modern actor shoved into ROTJ. CGI in a 70's movie doesn't even raise an eyebrow, but pretty much everyone can figure out that Hayden wasn't there before. I know that it's non-sensical, I just meant that it's non-sensical in a different way than the extra rocks or Han dodging Greedo's bullet since those break the laws of physics. 

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moviefreakedmind said:

Yes, I agree, and I also personally think that Hayden's ghost is the most offensive of all the Special Edition changes

As far as I am concerned it is pretty much the worst thing Lucas did in his career. Besides trying to erase theatrical versions from the history, of course.

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imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

What? I haven't changed my mind. If anything I just said they'll revert back to '04 content-wise because I don't think they'll add the extra rocks in front of R2 because those are completely minute and non-sensical.

Well if they aren't going to redo/reshoot the PT crap which is now stuck in 2K... then the version will pretty much end up being the 1997. Non-PT differences between 1997 and 2004/2011 are rather minor.

Unless they use the 2K and up-scale it to 4K which would be extremely embarrassing and unprofessional.

And no, saying the 97 and 11 SE's are identical is not the same as comparing the SE to the original; they're the same, just with updated Jabba and new prequel references (and without the scream in Empire).

That's like saying 15 and 16 are identical numbers, while 5 and 6 aren't...

 I should clarify this, I do in fact think it'd be nice for the '97 version to be preserved since it was probably one of the biggest theatrical re-releases of older movies ever. I just think it's not the best idea to get our hopes up because I just don't see it happening. Then again, you're actually a fan of the original SE so it's probably a lot more important of an issue to you than it is to me, and you're right, while I'm definitely no fan of the '97 SE, it certainly is a lot less offensive than the post '97 changes.

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To put it in short definitive terms, a rerelease of the '97 version is HIGHLY unlikely!

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I demand and expect the OOT. I don't demand or expect the 97SEs, but they would be a wonderful bonus. In fact, giving the 97SEs the GOUT treatment would go a long way.

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darklordoftech said:

I demand and expect the OOT. I don't demand or expect the 97SEs, but they would be a wonderful bonus. In fact, giving the 97SEs the GOUT treatment would go a long way.

 "Wonderful"?

Have you ever actually seen those things?

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The GOUT treatment for '97SE would certainly be interesting - it wouldn't be anywhere near the quality it could be with a proper remaster but unlike the GOUT, the original '97 master tapes, (which were the sources of those '97SE broadcasts we have now) would make for a decent anamorphic DVD.

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Darth Id said:

darklordoftech said:

I demand and expect the OOT. I don't demand or expect the 97SEs, but they would be a wonderful bonus. In fact, giving the 97SEs the GOUT treatment would go a long way.

 "Wonderful"?

Have you ever actually seen those things?

"wonderful" as in inclusive

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Harmy said:

The GOUT treatment for '97SE would certainly be interesting - it wouldn't be anywhere near the quality it could be with a proper remaster but unlike the GOUT, the original '97 master tapes, (which were the sources of those '97SE broadcasts we have now) would make for a decent anamorphic DVD.

 There were HD masters done of the 97SE. ANH was shown on ITV here in the UK in HD then suddenly switched to the 2004 SE's for the rest of the trilogy. It was only ever shown once in HD.

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TV's Frink said:

Why is this thread still going?

because this website was created in order to get the OOT released, and this thread is about the OOT getting released.

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RE Adywan: If that's really the case and they do actually have some sort of a 97SE HD master (they could have just been upscales of the anamorphic transfers - HDTV channels have definitely been know to do that kind of thing) which would mean they could just dump them on disc and put them in the box, then I think it would be a no-brainer.

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darklordoftech said:

TV's Frink said:

Why is this thread still going?

because this website was created in order to get the OOT released, and this thread is about the OOT getting released.

 It's about a rumor that it's getting released. 

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TV's Frink said:

darklordoftech said:

TV's Frink said:

Why is this thread still going?

because this website was created in order to get the OOT released, and this thread is about the OOT getting released.

 It's about a rumor that it's getting released. 

Don't you sometimes feel like posting in a thread even if you have nothing to say? ;)

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I don't know, I've never had nothing to say before.

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imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

What? I haven't changed my mind. If anything I just said they'll revert back to '04 content-wise because I don't think they'll add the extra rocks in front of R2 because those are completely minute and non-sensical.

Well if they aren't going to redo/reshoot the PT crap which is now stuck in 2K... then the version will pretty much end up being the 1997. Non-PT differences between 1997 and 2004/2011 are rather minor.

Unless they use the 2K and up-scale it to 4K which would be extremely embarrassing and unprofessional.

And no, saying the 97 and 11 SE's are identical is not the same as comparing the SE to the original; they're the same, just with updated Jabba and new prequel references (and without the scream in Empire).

That's like saying 15 and 16 are identical numbers, while 5 and 6 aren't...

 They're certainly closer to identical...

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TV's Frink said:

imperialscum said:

That's like saying 15 and 16 are identical numbers, while 5 and 6 aren't...

 They're certainly closer to identical...

Well that is why I picked those examples. They are bit closer but still not identical.

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I'd laugh if Disney just never bothered with any version of the SE again.

Can't they do a Close Encounters situation and start over with the 'Directors Cut' and do it properly.