//RETURNING TO JEDI\\: NTSC & PAL DVD — Page 54

Well, AssumFPS would alter the running time and as I explained previously, I didn't want to change it, as things would get ugly really fast if I had to start messing with audio :P

Oh, I see that I did say "playback speed" at one point. My bad.

Whether I put "interlaced=true" or not, I still end up with progressive video. Because of suggestions from different guides, I did tests both ways, true and false, and I liked the results from "interlaced=true" better.

The good news is that it's almost complete.

I did keep boon's menu from the original version's SL NTSC DVD that is at fanedit.info but everything else is newly encoded - including the extras :D

I'll post an update soon.

He'll probably download it, then delete it, then download it again, then burn it, then throw the disc out, delete it again, download it again...

Moth3r said:

I'm just wondering what JediTray's response is going to be when he sees that... ;-)

 I've already accepted that RTJ is what it is.

zeppelinrox said:

Well, AssumFPS would alter the running time and as I explained previously, I didn't want to change it, as things would get ugly really fast if I had to start messing with audio :P

Oh, I see that I did say "playback speed" at one point. My bad.

I understand now.  Thanks! :-)

Moth3r said:

I'm just wondering what JediTray's response is going to be when he sees that... ;-)

Actually, JediTray has seen a clip as I wanted feedback from a couple of guys and it seemed fine to all.

I just wanted to know if the playback seemed choppy at all (due to dropped frames via changefps) so I'm glad that it will most likely be acceptable to most people.

So the final DVD is 4.37gb (4,695,873,091 bytes)

ImgBurn reports that there would be 4.29MB free on a DVD+R and 9.73MB free on a DVD-R so I think it should be ok.

If not, you can always zip stuff up in the DVD_ROM folder or delete art that you wouldn't be using.

Edit: Uploading to Multiupload now.

It's all completely uploaded.

You can PM me for links while it gets posted at fanedit.info.

I did send out the links to a few guys so I hope to get feedback... mostly positive... I hope... :P

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Jambe Davdar’s: RETURNING TO JEDI: Miami Underground Film Festival COMPLETE DVD

DISC DETAILS

Type................: DVD Movie
Platform............: VIDEO_TS & DVD_ROM Folders
Video Format........: DVD/VOB/MPEG2/720x480/16:9/NTSC 29.97fps
Audio Format........: Dolby Digital 2.0 (192 Kbps)
Size................: 4.37 GB

RELEASE DETAILS

Source..............: Multiple (see below)
Disc Creator[s].....: Jambe Davdar
Disc Assembly...... : ZeppelinRox

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Jambe Davdar’s: RETURNING TO JEDI: Miami Underground Film Festival COMPLETE DVD

Duration: 2hr 28min main doco (total 2hrs 39 inc extras)
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 Anamorphic
Format: MPEG2 Video, 720 x 480 Anamorphic, NTSC, 29.97fps,
DVD: Single Layer 4.37GB
Data Rate: 3560 kbits/sec

Includes:
- 'Ugly as Sin' Teaser Trailer
- Trailer
- Revenge of the Jedi crawl
- Alternate Sail Barge music sequence
- Speederbike Storyboard comparison
- Easter Egg

A list of some of the resources used:

- 2004 DVD Supplemental Material
- 2006 OT DVD
- Laserdisc Supplementals
- Classic Creatures
- From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga
- Other official DVD extras (if you know of any ROTJ footage let me know)
- Teasers Trailers
- Photos of Sand storm deleted scene (anyone got hi-res versions)
- Comic Adaptations
- Radio Drama
- Skywalker (BBC Radio 1 Programme)
- NPR Richard Marquand Audio Interview
- Return of the Ewok
- Horizon, How to Film the Impossible
- ROTJ Soundtrack (previously unreleased music)
- BBC Interview - Jeremy Bulloch
- Ocpmovie's Classic Edition
- Original and Special Editions
- Annotated Screenplays Book
- Wonder Column in Space CD
- When Star Wars Ruled the World
- Rarities 1
- Lucasfilm Archives book
- Art of ROTJ Book
- Star Wars Chronicles book
- Empire Building book

Thanks so much to everyone who supported and provided during the making of this
project.

ENJOY!

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Posted by............: ZeppelinRox
Date Posted..........: October 1, 2010
Availability.........: MultiUpload (also RS, MU, ZShare and HotFile)

In this release you'll find:

1 - The VIDEO_TS and DVD_ROM folders
2 - Addition artwork (.psd files) located in DVD_ROM folder
2 - This NFO file - Please... Do Not Remove!

Notes from ZeppelinRox:

1. I had previously combined all the menus and extras, including the DVD-ROM
folder (containing artwork), from the original DL PAL DVD with the updated
Miami Underground Film Festival SL PAL DVD. Basically, I just converted this
new MUFF COMPLETE PAL DVD, except the menus, to put together this SL NTSC DVD.
The menus I stole from the original SL NTSC DVD that was assembled by the one
and only Boon, from fanedit.org.

2. Tools used were mainly CCE SP2 (4 pass encoding including extras), PgcEdit,
and VobBlanker and MuxMan. Oh and MeGUI, since it makes it so easy to get d2v
files and simultaneously demux the Audio and Video streams.

3. Fixed the chapters to match the chapters on the original NTSC SL DVD. I
also added a couple near the beginning.

4. I encoded everything at 29.97 fps progressive. Audio was
untouched, since I kept the same running time as the original PAL MUFF version.

5. I kept the bitrate as high as possible and pretty much maxed out a SL DVD
(4,692,831,721 bytes) :P.
If it's still too big to burn comfortably, you may have to delete unwanted
artwork from the DVD_ROM folder or just zip them up.

Now that I have the full DVD, I can give an assessment.  I was having concerns when there was talk about frames being dumped, etc.  And now those concerns are reality.  As a result, the picture jogs throughout.  And, the playback speed is still fast.  It seems that some spots don't have it as bad, but it is still there.  It's interesting to see the Miami additions, but I had to turn it off because the jogs were effecting my eyes.

Thanks anyway, zeppelinrox.  I really appreciate the effort, but some things just aren't meant to be.  Especially when dealing with a DVD made from so many different sources.

I fully admit I haven't spent the time to read back through the last several pages again...but is anyone else besides JediTray complaining about the NTSC version on FE.org?

I finally checked my NTSC copy, which was downloaded from FE.org one year ago, and it sounds fine - no speedup at all.  Video looks fine too.

Since JediTray indicates that some spots aren't as bad as other spots, chances are that the original PAL versions would have the same effect on him.

After all, since the SL NTSC versions (boon's original and my muff conversion) retain the original running time as their PAL counterparts, it's really impossible for them to be too fast when comparted to the PAL versions.

The clincher would be that JediTray found nothing wrong with the sample zip file (the easter egg) and said it was great.

The easter egg sample got the exact same treatment as everything else, tho the main feature has a higher bitrate.

Additional feedback would be great :)

Erikstormtrooper said:

I had a problem with the FE.org version - strange cropping at the bottom of the screen. But only on my 16:9 TV. The 4:3 TV displayed it properly.

Was that by chance limited to only the trailer?

I  noticed that the trailer was encoded at 4:3 on the original DL PAL DVD as well as that NTSC version. (VTS_02_1.VOB in both cases)

I encoded it at 16:9.

Oh, and thanks for the thumbs up!

Damn, all these different versions are making my head hurt.

To my knowledge, Returning to Jedi (Miami) was never available on FE.org, either PAL or NTSC version, until Zep just uploaded it.

What I have is the non-Miami NTSC version that boon created.

Yes it seems that that is the one that Erikstormtrooper is actually referring to - non-Miami - as that is the only NTSC version at fe.info at the moment.

Erikstormtrooper said:

No. The entire FE.org Miami version was cropped.

Yours was not.

 

 Well, that's interesting to know.

It's a bit out of control.  Jambe ought to just re-do the thing once the blu-ray is out.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Sorry. I guess boon created it. But isn't boon affiliated with FE.org? I could have sworn I got it from there.

boon created FE.org and owned it until recently.

Don't know what to say anymore about this situation.  But my copy seems fine, so yay for me! ;-)

Erm... well I'm going to re-do this encode but without dropping frames.

I figured out why dgpulldown didn't work well when I tested going that route. Dgpulldown doesn't like interlaced sources and it seems that when I encoded the video, even though I deinterlaced, it was still interlaced.

meh.

Another reason why it didn't look good is that I used yadif to deinterlace at the time but that leaves jaggy edges. I like the results with TDeint much better.

This time I will be sure that it it progressive with TDeint as deinterlacer

The end result will be the same running time as the original once again but without dropping frames so no risk of adding stuttering or jogging.

I'll take it for another spin I suppose.  :)  Thanks.

It's all done and upped to multiupload.

PM me for links, although it should be posted at fanedit info soon labelled as "Ep 6 MULTI SL NTSC (Miami Complete)", or something like that LOL.

I've already deleted the previous version.

I also edited this post's nfo contents to reflect the updated nfo file.

However, there is a mistake as I noted that I encoded at 29.97 fps but really it's encoded at 25 fps but dgpulldowned to 29.97 fps... goddammitsomuch...

The new v2 is the best so far.  The pitch is still too high, there are some minor sync issues in a few spots, and the volume is too high in places.  During some of the narrations, the "S" sounds are distorted, especially George's.

But, it's nice to finally have the Miami version and I consider this to be final.  There's only so much that can be done, and since players don't have pitch control that I'm aware of, it'll just have to do.

Thanks for your efforts, zeppelinrox.

You're welcome :)

You may remember that I used the original Miami PAL  audio and is untouched. So whatever audio issues there may be would be the same as the original.

My main concerns were regarding the quality of the video (smooth playback, detailed and sharper picture without artifacts), including the extras with the same quality and the DVD itself (menus, navigation, size, compatibility, chapters, etc.)

So if all those apects are non issues, then I'm quite happy with this final DVD.

For my own use, I think that I will reencode the PAL MUFF Complete DVD so that it will fit on a SL disc. It's about 4.6 GB and needs to only go down to 4.37 GB but I would also deinterlace, make it progessive  and sharpen the image as well - since I believe that my NTSC MUFF encode (limited sharpen faster was applied) looks much better on the TV than the much softer original video that I used in assembling the afore mentioned PAL MUFF DVD.