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Is it OK for me to like the Prequels?

I suffer from an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). I get easily offended and anything that offends me becomes a bad memory, which becomes locked in my mind. And anything I do to try and get rid of them doesn't work. They're so bad that they constantly interfere with my daily life, which is why I had to put my Paint Wars project on hold. There are several movies and TV shows that have been offensive to me. In fact, so many, that I've banned myself from ever watching another movie again. The only movies I'm willing to watch now are Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the Thief and the Cobbler.

Star Wars (ANH) is my favorite movie of all time. I like all six movies, including the prequels. There are only a few parts in the films which I deem offensive, but not enough to make me hate them. I actually thought Episode III was going to turn me against Star Wars, but in fact, it actually helps me combat a lot of the bad memories that come from movies. So all the SW movies, even the Prequels, have the strength to make me happy.

But you guys are making it so that anyone who even says they like the Prequels is a s***ty d***head. I'm not like them. I fully support the OOT and want it to be fully restored on DVD. I like the Prequels though not just because I enjoy watching them, because they help me combat bad memories.

So is it really a crime if I say I like the Prequels? Even though I'm an OOT fan?
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Look everybody its "Ingo Sucks". I remember seeing Ingo Sucks post a thread almost verbatim to this post....

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All right, it is Ingo. Just don't ban me again as I'm not tecnically doing anything wrong.
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You don't have to feel bad about liking the prequels, just because they are disliked by a great many. Hell, i love some really "bad" movies that lots of people dislike--for one reason or another, they just work for me. But realise that your opinion is in the minority. I think anyone with any sense can admit that the prequels have a lot of faults; they also have a lot of good moments in them. The question then becomes, do the faults overpower the good? Well, the majority opinion is that yes they do, but some, such as yourself, feel that the good overpowers the faults. Well, good for you. You don't have to feel bad about that or feel the need to prove the validity of your opinion. Watch the prequels and enjoy them. But realise that this particular website is filled with people that almost exclusively have the opposite opinion of you--so if you want to post that opinion, be prepared for a heavy refutation. If you want to post about the prequels, thats fine--i just wouldnt recommend doing it here. Theres lot of other sites that have people who love the prequels--TF.N, for example might be a decent place to post those thoughts of yours. You are free to do so here as well, just realise that there are also those here who are free to disagree with you.
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Thank you Zombie. That's all I wanted to know.

Mods, please close this thread now.
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I agree with Zombie you dont have to feel bad about liking the Prequels and you can still be a fan of the OOT, I like the PT myself and like the majority of the SE changes George has made to the films.
Its just that the OOT are the films that I grew up with as kid and early adulthood etc etc and feel its sad what has happened to them and they are still even today great pieces of cinema and will always be a fan of it. I dont think anyone here has a problem with you liking the Prequels even though the majority of the people dont like them and critise them, I think they are pretty fair when it comes to people liking them or even people who like the SE as long as what this place is for is respected and the OOT is respected, they have no problem with anyone Ive come to see....
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I think what this thread has shown is that there is no middle ground on the internet when it comes to the PT, and that is a real shame.

What I have noticed on other SW websites is that many fans have dug in and they are both on the extreme of both sides. So what has happened is there is this perception to many who post that the PT are either shit or the second coming to EVERY SW fan, and that just isn't true.

I think the majority of SW fans, even OT fans, like the PT movies, but don't love em either. I think most SW fans recognize that the OT movies are better, that ANH/ESB are probably the most beloved, and the other 4 have some real great moments, and some pretty bad moments too.

The problem is the SE/OT has screwed everything up in being a SW fan, cause now a SW fan is forced to chose which version he or she likes? Now that wouldn't be a problem if both versions came out in high quality on every release like Lord of the Rings, the Upcoming Superman movies, and Terminator 2 DVD's. I really love the Theatrical Versions of The Lord of the Rings, but most of my friends like the Extended Versions, but we both have the opportunity to watch them in great quality, so who cares?

With the SE/O-OT, it has drawn into the PT as part of the debate of 'my movies are better then yours!' And that is why an O-OT is probably so hostile to the PT, cause they feel that is a part of the SE/saga versions that Lucas wants EVERYONE to watch.

I will say it again, if Lucas never changed the OT back in '97, we wouldn't have to deal with any of this shit. There would 6 SW movies on DVD right now in great quality, and it would be up to the viewer to chose which movies they love and want to buy, not which versions. I say this cause for many years I had friends who HATED ROTJ and only recognized ANH/ESB as their saga, but they never had a problem buying OT Boxsets on VHS because ANH/ESB were still the same movies, and weren't drastically changed, except for the Episode IV crawl and some very minor tweaks by Lucas.

There is nothing wrong with loving the PT, and don't be ashamed to say it, but I just find it sad that there are essentially 9 versions of SW films that we are all battling over, when there should have been 6.

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No, love what you love. I don't care...

It's actually somewhat decent EU. Duel of the fates rocked and some other stuff was ok.
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\Yes, it is wrong for you to like the prequels. And yes, it is a crime to say you like the prequels, under 46 USC 130. If you're lucky, you live in the 9th Circuit's jurisdiction, and they'll set aside whatever sentence you get, but I hope they don't. Because bashing the prequels is much more important than the first amendment, from a social perspective. Historically, none of the great civilizations have ever admitted liking the prequels -- Greece, Rome, China, Duluth, the British Empire -- none ever said they liked the prequels.

The prequels are a bane upon civilization.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Theres lot of other sites that have people who love the prequels--TF.N, for example might be a decent place to post those thoughts of yours.


I actually decided to check TF.N out. I figured I'd get in contact with more like-minded people and just discuss what I enjoyed about Star Wars. Unfortunately for some reason, I find I actually get responded too more on these boards and on IMDb than on there. Maybe it's because I'm new or my post doesn't contribute enough to elicit a response but I've found that sites that actually favour the OOT or a preference towards it actually respond more than the few "Saga" sites I've been to. Oh well....what are you gonna do I guess.

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Originally posted by: ZigFried
Is it OK for me to like the Prequels?

I suffer from an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). I get easily offended and anything that offends me becomes a bad memory, which becomes locked in my mind. And anything I do to try and get rid of them doesn't work. They're so bad that they constantly interfere with my daily life, which is why I had to put my Paint Wars project on hold. There are several movies and TV shows that have been offensive to me. In fact, so many, that I've banned myself from ever watching another movie again. The only movies I'm willing to watch now are Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the Thief and the Cobbler.


What types of things did you find offensive in some movies, Zeg? Are the offenses like catch-phrases or something, or more in the action of a movie?

Nothing in Star Wars ever offended me rather than some of the stuff in Attack of the Clones. That is by far my least favorite movie in the saga. It had the most offensive parts, and I think you might hate it too.

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If you're talking about Star Wars, I really don't want to blurt it out right now. But there's TONS of stuff from other movies that offends me...
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Originally posted by: ZigFried
Is it OK for me to like the Prequels?
Not here. It's like being Jewish in Nazi Germany.
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Originally posted by: ZigFried
All right, it is Ingo. Just don't ban me again as I'm not tecnically doing anything wrong.
Ingo was only banned temporarily. But I much prefer this ZigFried guy who does the mspaint stuff.

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Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
Originally posted by: ZigFried
Is it OK for me to like the Prequels?
Not here. It's like being Jewish in Nazi Germany.


Thread Godwined. Nice going Shifty. You take a completely reasonable question (based on some of the other posters around here) and reply with the most repulsive comment ever.

On that note, I think it's perfectly acceptable to like the prequels. I personally only like parts and really dislike the majority of the PT. The difference between here and TFN is that most of the time, you're skewered alive for even asking for the OOT in a completely remastered format over there. It's all about discussing the "saga" over there and if you dissent in any way the mods seem to come down on you hard. Don't question God Lucas, he knows best. Whether what he didn't doesn't make sense without some really twisted logic or not doesn't matter. At least here you can ask questions about things that don't really make sense and have a good discussion about it. Don't try that over at TFN.
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Once in a while the Luke and Leia kiss in Empire will disturb me. Especially since in the next movie, Leia claims to have known Luke was her sibling. "Somehow I've always known." But I've grown to really like the kiss as have a lot of fans.

Did the kiss disturb you, Zig?
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Originally posted by: lordjedi

On that note, I think it's perfectly acceptable to like the prequels. I personally only like parts and really dislike the majority of the PT. The difference between here and TFN is that most of the time, you're skewered alive for even asking for the OOT in a completely remastered format over there. It's all about discussing the "saga" over there and if you dissent in any way the mods seem to come down on you hard. Don't question God Lucas, he knows best. Whether what he didn't doesn't make sense without some really twisted logic or not doesn't matter. At least here you can ask questions about things that don't really make sense and have a good discussion about it. Don't try that over at TFN.



Amen, that place has driven more SW fans away then any other site. It is a small niche of saga fans who want total inclusion on the surface of the site to make it look fair, but deep down they hate the following SW fans:

1. Anyone who loves the OOT over the SE, remember the usual comeback about non-anamorphic, "You are getting what you deserve."

2. Anyone whose favorite SW movie is Star Wars, remember the thread, "ANH....is it meh?"

3. Anyone who does not love every minute of the PT movies, remember the psyco-analyzing, "You didn't like the movies cause it didn't have the story you wanted, or you went in with too much expectations."

4. Anyone who doesn't see the saga equally 1-6, remember the company line always was, "I don't love any SW movie over another, I see them all equally as one 14 hour story."

That place is a joke, and they finally got what they wanted, 1-6 SW Saga fans. Now go read the threads, BORRRRRING!!!!! I post at ORS when I want some fun SW debate.
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ok, i'm a retard or something, but what's ORS?





And if this place burned 'em at the stake for even liking the prequels, I would not post here. Everyone's free to have their own taste and opinions. But lame arguments and combative statements about prequels or anything else are likely to meet with some feisty opposition.


Hell, this is an O.T.-lovers site, and I have yet to get any shit about not liking The Empire Strikes Back. That means anything goes, brutha!


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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Thread Godwined. Nice going Shifty. You take a completely reasonable question (based on some of the other posters around here) and reply with the most repulsive comment ever.
My comment was meant to be taken as a jest, but it was born out of some despicable behavior I saw here a few weeks ago. I opened a thread that started off perfectly reasonable (the subject escapes me). But it descended into big line of posts that got pregressively more disgusting and childish attacking Go-Mer-Tronic, who seems to like the prequels and Lucas, despite the fact that he hadn't even posted in the thread yet. Things like that disgust me and have turned me off from this forum. So looking at that example, it's perfectly alright to like the prequels here. You just can't love them. And if you do, just don't post about it or you're in for a whirlwind of persecution.
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Zigfried you can like the prequels as much as you want to because that is your oppinion, and we have no say in that.



Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
ok, i'm a retard or something, but what's ORS?
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I am also wondering what ORS is.


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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyenok, i'm a retard or something, but what's ORS?
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My fault for not being clear, ORS is www.outerrimsieges.com

This site was created last year after ROTS and is comprised of all disgruntled www.theforce.net SW fans who were either banned from that site or just fed up with the mods there. After ROTS, TFn mods started ruling with an iron fist and a full fledge war started on that site cause many SW fans didn't conform to their views, meaning you have to love all 6 movies equally. A group of 20 ex-TFn'ers started ORS as we call it now, and just let people say whatever the hell we wanted, and the ironic thing is the site is more dignified then TFN even though you can call someone whatever you want. What happened is everyone started posting and there was a level of respect among different POV, meaning people wouldn't get mad if I loved the OOT, and I wouldn't get mad if they loved Jar Jar. There are still some flame wars, but it is all good fun, and nobody has left since it started.

I come to this site for pure OT talk, and that is what it was before Gomer started mucking up every thread. So you can call me on that if you want for not wanting other POV on this site, but this site never was made for that type of SW debate, and that is why alot of people got bent out of shape.
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Thanks for clearing that up, CO.


EDIT: CO, I tried to register at ORS but it keeps telling me that I don't have a valid VIP code. I am using the one that it has on the first page, but it still isn't working. Am I doing something wrong? Please help.

Edit 2: I figured it out, CO. I was capitalizing the VIP code and it wasn't supposed to be.


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TheForce.net does lean toward PT love. But I have seen many ppl there who openly hate the PT, and nothing is done about them.

Maybe TF.N isn't as communistic as we would like to believe? Lots of OOT lovers there who are still active to this day.

Can someone explain to me?
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Originally posted by: BeeJayTheForce.net does lean toward PT love. But I have seen many ppl there who openly hate the PT, and nothing is done about them.

Maybe TF.N isn't as communistic as we would like to believe? Lots of OOT lovers there who are still active to this day.

Can someone explain to me?


Of course no website is going to lockstep in their views, so I am sure there are still some OOT fans left on the site, but trust me, the majority all left last year, and I can name dozens of them who are at ORS now. The funny thing is alot of PT fans left TFn and went to ORS, cause they were frustrated too, cause they are not lockstep either towards all 6 movies, as they will readily admit the movies flaws, but still love them in a certain way too.

If you have time, go back 3-4 years, or even before ROTS and check out the debates and how good they really were. That site was the best in its time before the end of the PT, as you would get all sides of the debates regarding SW. Now you have just a bunch of people who love the PT, and 2-3 naysayers who vehemently hate the PT who are just getting everyone riled up. Now many would say, isn't that the exact thing that happens here, but the other way around? I say that is exactly right, but check out the name of the website we all post at, it is pretty clear what versions we are fighting against sir George.

The bottom line is we have an agenda here which is pretty specific and to the point. TFN has an agenda, but doesn't come right out and say it, and that is why so many people have left the site in the last year.

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I started the "What Did The PT Need?" thread, and in my first post I mentioned that I enjoy the PT to a large extent. SW, even at it's worst (and I'm not saying the PT is the worst of SW), is like bad pizza - it's better than no SW (or pizza).

BTW, CO, you've mentioned that "ANH: Meh?" thread a few times, and I agree with you - the existence of that thread was hard to believe. I mean, we all have our opinions, but the movie that started this entire phenomenon was somehow an underwhelming cinematic experience?? Makes you wonder what people are watching for.

I didn't add to that thread, but I remember one unbelievably funny response in it. It was a satirical piece, ostensibly in agreement with the thread starter wondering where the overly quick character introduction and lightsaber twirling was. So damn funny.

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