Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released) — Page 5

I am on a business trip and won't be home till sunday. I will check the scenes then. The 93 LDs don't appear to have DVNR issues, but also don't have a lot of detail and washed out colors.

The 3rd frame of ANH was too dark to see anything in my capture. I haven't captured ESB and ROTJ yet. These LDs seem to be free of DVNR smear and overblown whites in some scenes, but the noise, colors and slightly cropped frames are pretty bad. It might be from the same master as the french Pyramid editon from 1993 which is supposed to be pretty bad as well.

Does anybody know, which font was used for the German titles?

It's clearly not Franklin Gothic...

Laserschwert wrote: Does anybody know, which font was used for the German titles?

http://www.identifont.com/  (Font by Appearance) This site asks you a bunch of questions about your font, then provides a group of suggestions.

It recommended ITC Franklin Gothic, in the version I ran:

http://www.identifont.com/identify?51+%20+23+1K7+1JU+8O+D8R+8CZ+57D+1KM+DAL+7M+5BU+87+DAP+1JY+56W+8F+1IU+97+74+30D+39+1LA+2U+7UX+NEW+4PV+26RA+8YZ+J4S+9A+1U6+1R4+5Q+G39+DG+8E+75+1KS+2M+2E+8N+6X6+8B+53K+79+6XA+1KI+1QY+7G+9Z

(there are other suggestions but they seem a little on the thin side)

Another place to ask for suggestions is:

http://new.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/

You can upload a pic and people in the forum will look and see if they recognize it.

Yeah, I know about both Identifont and WhatTheFont, but you can't use the latter one on the blurry LD image. I'll try the forums though.

And as stated, the font is clearly NOT Franklin Gothic... hence the animated GIF. ;)

EDIT:

Funnily enough your alternatives from Identifon mentioned "News Gothic" which I've tried right away:

And with some tinkering (like moving the dots of the "i"s) it matches very well. Thanks! :)

Hey, good tip... Trade Gothic looks even closer! I'll try to whip something up.

EDIT: Here it is, and for now the closest match:

I have a German copy of the special edition in German...well, kind of German.

I bought a knock-off copy of Star Wars on DVD in Moscow from the infamous Gorbushka (Russia thrived on black market products).

I couldn't believe it at the time because Star Wars hadn't been released on DVD yet (it was officially released in 2004 and I bought my Russian copy in 2003...and it isn't a VHS or laserdisc rip).

I couldn't work out how they got a copy!

Anyway, when I watched it I found that the title crawl was in German and the movie has the German title 'Krieg de Sterne'.

weird!

dR

raphael said:

I have a German copy of the special edition in German...well, kind of German.

I bought a knock-off copy of Star Wars on DVD in Moscow from the infamous Gorbushka (Russia thrived on black market products).

I couldn't believe it at the time because Star Wars hadn't been released on DVD yet (it was officially released in 2004 and I bought my Russian copy in 2003...and it isn't a VHS or laserdisc rip).

I couldn't work out how they got a copy!

Anyway, when I watched it I found that the title crawl was in German and the movie has the German title 'Krieg de Sterne'.

weird!

 

dR

 

It is very likely that this from the same source as the GKar DVDs. These are made from a german digital broadcast of the 1997 SE trilogy on pay-tv in 2002. The broadcast was dual audio, but with german text and subtitles. German 5.1 and english 2.0 audio.

These were sold on ebay for quite some time until the official dvd set was released.

As dark_jedi will release his Bluray Trilogy Project to the public soon, we could use this as base for a German Bluray Trilogy Project.

I might even buy a laserdisc player for this, but it won't feature Digital Audio out. :(

Can anyone help us providing the german PCM streams on the laserdiscs? You could use your Laserdisc Player and hook it up to a DVD Recorder and record picture with PCM audio instead of dd2.0. Or of course a soundcard with PCM-In.

I will upload my stuff on usenet asap.

R2D2

Does anybody here have the original German crawl from "Rückkehr der Jedi-Ritter" in HD? I don't know if there was ever a German HD-broadcasts of the 1997 version of the film (and the German HD-version that uses the 2004 transfer only has an SD upscale of the crawl in front of it).

Also can anybody here capture and upload the pre-THX German crawls from Empire and Jedi (as the screens earlier in this thread show, the THX-crawls looked awful)? I'd like to know if they're the same as the ones from the 1997 SEs (I know that at least the ANH-crawl was redone for the 1997 release).

Well, ANH's crawl was definitely re-created for the 1997 SE, as before that only the crappy-cheap-video-effects crawl of the THX-version had the "Episode IV" in it.

Empire's 1997 crawl is probably the same as in 1980, as (except from the moved Umlaut in "ZURÜCK") they look identical... funnily enough though, the German HD-broadcast (with the 2004 transfer) uses the uncorrected 1980 crawl.

And I have no idea, why Jedi's crawl of the 2004-HD-broadcasts is just an upscale... did they have an old German 35mm print of Empire, but not for Jedi?

Sadly since the 2004 DVDs all German crawls have been re-created completely, and it especially bothers me that they replaced the "Krieg der Sterne" logos with "Star Wars", so I'd like to at least have all of those in HD alongside the Blu-rays.

I can settle with the 1997 crawl for ANH (since it 1. has a German logo and 2. it's probably impossible to get the original crawl in HD), and I have the 1980 crawl of Empire in HD. Jedi is the only one missing here.

EDIT:
All right, I found a lot of info on Schnittberichte.com (ANH, TESB, ROTJ), and some interesting bits, like different "A long time ago..."-cards.

ANH:

TESB:

ROTJ:

They were all unified in the SEs to this:

It's really strange that the wording was changed for Jedi.

Also the German Jedi-SE seems to at least use the original crawl from 1983, although image geometry is changed and warped a bit (at least on the Schnittbericht-screenshots). Maybe it was recomposed for the SE using the original footage of the German crawl?

Who made the international crawls anyway? Was it ILM themselves?

I checked my collection now. The original .TS files of the best HD Broadcasts feature the Krieg der Sterne Logo and german title crawl. Empire & Jedi seem identical to the Silverscreen VHS from 1990, and to the Widescreen VHS from 1993. I would need a frame 2 frame image comparison but it looks like we have two of the original theatrical crawls in superb quality!

Laserschwert, what makes you think, that the Jedi crawl is an SD-upscale? Can I verify this on my sources? Maybe I got something else here!? The .TS stream did look quite impressive on my 42" display.

I am preparing (doing rar files right now) my captures of the crawls for usenet-upload. Please be patient, as I haven't uploaded stuff in a long time and forgot how to do everything, have to reinstall the tools as well.

Posting the following on alt.binaries.starwars right now:

German:

Das ist der deutsche Lauftext (Title crawl) der original Krieg der Sterne Trilogie.
Vom ersten Teil (heutige Episode 4) sind auch die Alien Untertitel von Greedo und der Abspann enthalten.

Video-Quelle: Widescreen VHS Release, 1993, pre-THX

Video Capture Device: PDI Deluxe
Video Format: PAL, 720x576, unkomprimiert, Huffyuv Codec, PCM Ton.

Das ist ein R2D2 Release für ein kommendes originaltrilogy.com Projekt...

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English

This is the german title crawl of the original Star Wars trilogy.
The first movie (today known as Episode 4) contains alien subtitles from Greedo and the german end titles.

Video-Source: Widescreen VHS Release, 1993, pre-THX

Video Capture Device: PDI Deluxe
Video Format: PAL, 720x576, uncompressed, Huffyuv Codec, PCM Audio.

This is a R2D2 release for an upcoming originaltrilogy.com project...

~5.28 Gigabyte

"the first transport is away!" - upload is finished. please provide feedback.

coming up next:

 - Episode 5 Silverscreen VHS Fullscreen Capture Title Crawl [including Trailers]

 - Episode 6 Silverscreen VHS Fullscreen Capture Title Crawl [including Trailers]

 - Episode 4 Silverscreen VHS Fullscreen Capture Title Crawl [5 analog captures for the two_of_three(?) filter.]

 - my already in the year 2006 released mpeg2-encoding of the original theatrical intro (logos & title crawl), a few filters and a gout starfield background-pic were applied.

R2D2 said:

Laserschwert, what makes you think, that the Jedi crawl is an SD-upscale? Can I verify this on my sources? Maybe I got something else here!? The .TS stream did look quite impressive on my 42" display.

 

It's pretty easy to spot, so if yours looks good, it's probably not an upscale. Here's a comparison:

ANH crawl
TESB crawl
ROTJ crawl (with interlacing and everything)

it becomes even clearer once the camera pans down to the Death Star:

Death Star

The next shot (and the rest of the movie) is in HD though:

Shuttle

All three end credits though are in English... is that different in your versions?

EDIT
I've started downloading your Usenet-upload... we'll see! ;)

EDIT 2
Ah damn, didn't realize you've uploaded only the SD crawls for now...

what tool is best to examine those .ts files?

virtualdubmode doesn't seem to handle those.

i would like to do raw footage snapshots. players like powerdvd always apply filters, even when doing snapshots.

"VLC Player" snaphots the clean input image.

Did some quick queck with Media Player Classic yesterday. I have to agree with you. The Jedi Crawl looks like a SD upscale. Can't decide from this tool if its interlaced or not but avs scripts can deinterlace the picture if so. The crawl looks identical (quality-wise) to the GKAR Jedi Edition.

Nevertheless one of these two editions is the best quality of the original theatrical title. I am sure it will fit well to the darkJedi Blu Ray Project.

The HD .ts files all feature english end titles only.