Preserving DTS LaserDisc tracks, specifically Jurassic Park — Page 9

Lol I get that with the Terminator and the BTTF thread, also you have mail 

Wasn't the 2011 Blu transfer cropped too? I've seen a comparison where the LD has more info on the top and sides:

Though apparently, the first pressings of the LD were ALSO cropped on all 4 sides, and it was called out by Video Watchdog. I believe that was what exposed "zoomboxing" to videophiles?

Also, the images of the 3D Blu-ray look very dim. I saw a 2D screening at a theater yesterday, and it looked much brighter than these screenshots.

I better get the old bluray (with actual grain) before the new one becomes more common. Or does the new set only use the new transfer for the 3D version?

EDIT: I just read that the new set uses the old transfer for the 2D version and you can't even play the 3D version without a 3D setup. I am happy. One film spared from Universal's meddling.

TServo2049 said:

Wasn't the 2011 Blu transfer cropped too? I've seen a comparison where the LD has more info on the top and sides:

Though apparently, the first pressings of the LD were ALSO cropped on all 4 sides, and it was called out by Video Watchdog. I believe that was what exposed "zoomboxing" to videophiles?

Lots of film transfers are zoomed differently, but its not really a big deal as the filmmakers frame their shots to account for this. (They want to make sure the film will project well no mater how the theater is set up.)

One important thing to note is certain website are showing images from the Jurassic Park 3D bluray, which look to be obtained from the opposing eye view.

http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/jurassic-park-3d-blu-ray-3d-review/

This will cause some image information to be different, especially at the edges.

While I still want the original 5.1 mix, I did think the newer 7.1 mix was better than what was done in 2011. The 3-D conversion overall was pretty good.I saw this in IMAX, but it sounds like the 3D Bluray has more DNR applied.


Some sites are now showing two DTS English tracks on the 3-D Bluray. DTS-MA 7.1 and DTS 5.1. Is this true?? And if so, the question of the day is... What source is the DTS 5.1 track?

borisanddoris said:

Let's be frank too: this is a 3D only release, that is designed to be viewed in 3D, with glasses.  We aren't really giving it a fair assessment if we're looking at it in 2D, on computer monitors.

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borisanddoris said:

As far as the image, the 3D disc is so much closer to the film print I saw.  Surely not the same, but it's so much closer and better than the 2011 disc.

Don't know... the first image is a bit dark, but colors could be OK, as the second one;

When viewing 3D at home, does the image suffer from the same dimming and desaturation issues present at cinemas?  I've never seen the home stuff myself, but remember reading about Peter Jackson adjusting attributes for The Hobbit during filming, taking these effects into account.

When converting a film from 3D to 2D (or simply taking a screenshot), do the same corrections need to be "reversed" as well?

The 3D BD as to be cropped on the sides because of the 3D effects. However one can extract the main eyeview (it's probably about 30gb in size) and watch it in 2D without hassle.

Syncing the original sound would be great. Also, is there online links to the LDS rip? It looks so awesome :)

borisanddoris said:

Also, anyone else thinking the 2011 disc is any good, here's the original trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWBKEmWWL38

Shitty YouTube quality, but you get the idea.  Again, this has a similar feel to the 35mm print I saw last year.  In fact, having seen JP cinematically way back in the 90s, then growing up with the VHS/LaserDiscs (had the DVDs but always went back to the LaserDiscs), I wasn't sure really what it should look like.  Seeing it last year was a revelation.  I hope that print is somewhere safe.  

 

Neither are any good, but I would rather the pink EE and sharpening than that DNR nightmare 

poita said:

That DTS experience LD was also released on DVD in Japan.

http://www.demo-world.eu/forums/topic/715/pioneer-dts-experience-dvd-japan/

:)

What about the DTS JP Superbit DVD?

are you sure they are untouched? maybe someone edited them as youtube can flag stuff like that 

Can we have a link to the original YouTube video?

I do recall the TV version being edited in that manner.

A perspective on the 3D from a member of the AVS forum .....

My review of JP3D:

The Good Things first: The 3D was wonderful! On a par with Titanic 3D!
Easily one of the best conversion jobs ever.
Didn't find any evidence of massive DNR, the picture looked clean with lots of detail.
The colours were rich and slightly warm, very film-like. But didn't look too much like a 90s movie to me, as it was so clean, and that's a good thing!
Sounded good too. An additional aspect of the soundtrack I will discuss below. There were quite a few pop out moments in addition to a very realistic depth perspective.
It was pure Nostalgia for me.

Now the things that bothered me:
1.The aspect ratio has been tampered with once again. The image has been zoom-boxed, cutting on all four sides, quite a lot. As a result Dinos heads get cut off slightly, eyes at the top edge of the screen get chopped off. The cropping was distracting(the ratio was still 1.85:1). The Imax 3D trailer was framed at 1.85:1, and there were even comparisons made with the Bluray(which was cropped), the 3D version was even more cropped than the Bluray. The framing of the IMAX3D trailer is exactly how it looked in the Laserdisc and VHS as well, but the cinema version has been cropped further than the 1.85:1 trailer cut. It makes me worry about the Bluray 3D.

2. The VFX models didn't lend themselves well to 3D. The lack of detail was clearly apparent and in contrast with the rest of the surroundings, which were 35mm footages.

Surprising things that I noticed: Lot more detail, individual objects, even the minutest ones are now clearly noticeable.
I also noticed the Pace of the film, it was like a roadrunner, one thing after another, barely ever slowing down.
I mean I've seen the movie countless times and know every single frame by heart, but never has its pace felt so relentless, my goodness( and no there was no speedup issues).
New additions:
There were definitely quite a few additions very clearly noticeable-
1. When the thunder strikes and the lawyer crouches, asking the doctors to head back to their cars, they have added a lightning flash visually, which was never there. And It makes the impact of the scene much better!
There are minor additional sounds added to the soundtrack(not the music track), extra velociraptor sounds when the deadly duo enter the kitchen, one of which clearly had a high-pitched cat sound.

2. The animatronic shots were the most impressive in 3D. However the final shot, when the T-Rex rears up to its full height in the Visitors center lobby and roars, knocked the earlier poor vfx 3D shots' balls out of the park. That last shot when the Rex Roars and the Banners fall was ABSOLUTELY EPIC, as it was in 2D when it originally came out. It had GREAT depth with the Tail swinging out of the screen+ it was highly detailed. I don't know how they could get the last CG shot with the T-Rex to look so detailed, imagined it to be lackluster like the other CG shots, the colour scheme of the Rex also looked slightly different, more colourful that is.
I'm catching it again on Sunday!
These didn't at all damage the experience for me, though the cat sound was a bit annoying and unrealistic(Well Gary Rydstrom succumbed to a little temptation it seems).

Jetrell Fo said:

A perspective on the 3D from a member of the AVS forum .....

My review of JP3D:

The Good Things first: The 3D was wonderful! On a par with Titanic 3D!
Easily one of the best conversion jobs ever.
Didn't find any evidence of massive DNR, the picture looked clean with lots of detail.
The colours were rich and slightly warm, very film-like. But didn't look too much like a 90s movie to me, as it was so clean, and that's a good thing!
Sounded good too. An additional aspect of the soundtrack I will discuss below. There were quite a few pop out moments in addition to a very realistic depth perspective.
It was pure Nostalgia for me.

Now the things that bothered me:
1.The aspect ratio has been tampered with once again. The image has been zoom-boxed, cutting on all four sides, quite a lot. As a result Dinos heads get cut off slightly, eyes at the top edge of the screen get chopped off. The cropping was distracting(the ratio was still 1.85:1). The Imax 3D trailer was framed at 1.85:1, and there were even comparisons made with the Bluray(which was cropped), the 3D version was even more cropped than the Bluray. The framing of the IMAX3D trailer is exactly how it looked in the Laserdisc and VHS as well, but the cinema version has been cropped further than the 1.85:1 trailer cut. It makes me worry about the Bluray 3D.

2. The VFX models didn't lend themselves well to 3D. The lack of detail was clearly apparent and in contrast with the rest of the surroundings, which were 35mm footages.

Surprising things that I noticed: Lot more detail, individual objects, even the minutest ones are now clearly noticeable.
I also noticed the Pace of the film, it was like a roadrunner, one thing after another, barely ever slowing down.
I mean I've seen the movie countless times and know every single frame by heart, but never has its pace felt so relentless, my goodness( and no there was no speedup issues).
New additions:
There were definitely quite a few additions very clearly noticeable-
1. When the thunder strikes and the lawyer crouches, asking the doctors to head back to their cars, they have added a lightning flash visually, which was never there. And It makes the impact of the scene much better!
There are minor additional sounds added to the soundtrack(not the music track), extra velociraptor sounds when the deadly duo enter the kitchen, one of which clearly had a high-pitched cat sound.

2. The animatronic shots were the most impressive in 3D. However the final shot, when the T-Rex rears up to its full height in the Visitors center lobby and roars, knocked the earlier poor vfx 3D shots' balls out of the park. That last shot when the Rex Roars and the Banners fall was ABSOLUTELY EPIC, as it was in 2D when it originally came out. It had GREAT depth with the Tail swinging out of the screen+ it was highly detailed. I don't know how they could get the last CG shot with the T-Rex to look so detailed, imagined it to be lackluster like the other CG shots, the colour scheme of the Rex also looked slightly different, more colourful that is.
I'm catching it again on Sunday!
These didn't at all damage the experience for me, though the cat sound was a bit annoying and unrealistic(Well Gary Rydstrom succumbed to a little temptation it seems).

 

Didn't find any evidence of massive DNR, the picture looked clean with lots of detail.

I can name 3 people that would spout that over there now that I am most of the guys left, its just mostly fanboy bull shit there now, there is a TON of DNR hyperbole on full