Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 87

Is that a sex move?

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

dahmage said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Three days prior to inauguration but relevant and disconcerting.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/01/19/never-seen-anything-gaping-holes-trumps-foreign-policy-team

Many aspects of President-elect Donald Trump’s transition have been described as disorganized (at best), but his administration’s approach to foreign policy “appears” particularly rudderless, raising concerns among domestic experts and international allies alike.

The defining part of the article is the quoted word above … “appears”, and that is an opinion, not fact. LOL

ok, i can respect your point that you should work to make things better (from your previous post, not this one). but what i don’t respect is your constant brushing aside of every piece of information as being opinion, and not fact. the opinion of the matter is, that almost all information that is out there is not fact. if you can’t deal with finding the shadow of the facts by sifting through and weighing opinions, then I don’t know… ? i don’t know.

When the entire opinion is presented as fact, especially from someone that is supposed to be intelligent, I don’t know what to tell you. Opinions are like elbows, we all have them, it just doesn’t make them fact. I am totally okay with people not liking the guy, but we are supposed to be debating, not using our emotions to say that we are right and the rest of you are wrong. It’s wasted breath really.

And this is exactly the tripe I’m talking about.

And that is your opinion which you have a right to, as do I, and mine was opinion as well. You need to try harder because copying people just to try and be funny or something really isn’t your forte.

^ backdoor insult?

Let it go.

It got old after the first use.

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

dahmage said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Three days prior to inauguration but relevant and disconcerting.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/01/19/never-seen-anything-gaping-holes-trumps-foreign-policy-team

Many aspects of President-elect Donald Trump’s transition have been described as disorganized (at best), but his administration’s approach to foreign policy “appears” particularly rudderless, raising concerns among domestic experts and international allies alike.

The defining part of the article is the quoted word above … “appears”, and that is an opinion, not fact. LOL

ok, i can respect your point that you should work to make things better (from your previous post, not this one). but what i don’t respect is your constant brushing aside of every piece of information as being opinion, and not fact. the opinion of the matter is, that almost all information that is out there is not fact. if you can’t deal with finding the shadow of the facts by sifting through and weighing opinions, then I don’t know… ? i don’t know.

When the entire opinion is presented as fact, especially from someone that is supposed to be intelligent, I don’t know what to tell you. Opinions are like elbows, we all have them, it just doesn’t make them fact. I am totally okay with people not liking the guy, but we are supposed to be debating, not using our emotions to say that we are right and the rest of you are wrong. It’s wasted breath really.

You can’t just disregard anything that has a whiff of an opinion though. Read the sentence with “appears” again. It’s not the writer’s opinion that it appears that way, it’s the opinion of “domestic experts and international allies alike.” When people like that have an opinion on a matter that they know better than us, it is wise to listen and not simply disregard what they’re saying.

I do understand that. I just find it hard to believe anything when so many opinions are presented as pure unadulterated fact, especially here. It just happens far too often, and for me, it makes it difficult to take folks who do it seriously.

DominicCobb said:

That article shows only one channel used terms like “illegals” and “snowflakes” regularly so I don’t think there’s really an equal comparison.

The simple fact of the matter is there wasn’t much of importance in the leaked emails.

I’ll agree to disagree with you on that one, since important is subjective. I think there were some very important things that WikiLeaks revealed.

(to say nothing of the fact that the whole email leak happened because one fascist leader wanted to help install another fascist leader).

There has been no evidence presented that Putin had anything to do with WikiLeaks or the election as a whole.

At no point is the disconnect more obvious than when Kellyanne Conway is on. She goes on and says her side, and then proceeds to complain that places like CNN never show her side! It’s ridiculous, especially because it seems like she’s on pretty much every day.

lol

That’s true.

They’re tricking people in to distrusting everything that doesn’t lean right. When Fox says “Fair and Balanced,” it’s because they want you to believe that any outlet that isn’t as far right as them isn’t fair or balanced.

I think you’re thinking about this too much on party lines. Plenty of liberals distrust the media, plenty of conservatives trust the media.

Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

That article shows only one channel used terms like “illegals” and “snowflakes” regularly so I don’t think there’s really an equal comparison.

The simple fact of the matter is there wasn’t much of importance in the leaked emails.

I’ll agree to disagree with you on that one, since important is subjective. I think there were some very important things that WikiLeaks revealed.

I think important is relative. Lots of things are important, but some more than others.

All lot of the stuff in the emails were frankly unsurprising, which is probably another reason they didn’t get a lot of coverage. There were also plenty of boring emails, and a lot of emails that were shady depending on interpretation.

To say nothing of the fact that there were certainly equally important emails in the Trump camp that we simply never saw.

(to say nothing of the fact that the whole email leak happened because one fascist leader wanted to help install another fascist leader).

There has been no evidence presented that Putin had anything to do with WikiLeaks or the election as a whole.

I think now that even Trump has admitted to the Russian hacking, we can stop pretending like it was ever a conspiracy theory perpetrated by the entire intelligence community (for what purpose exactly?). Putin had the means and the reasons to do it so all in all it’s hard to believe he didn’t.

They’re tricking people in to distrusting everything that doesn’t lean right. When Fox says “Fair and Balanced,” it’s because they want you to believe that any outlet that isn’t as far right as them isn’t fair or balanced.

I think you’re thinking about this too much on party lines. Plenty of liberals distrust the media, plenty of conservatives trust the media.

I understand that it’s not as simple as the left trusts the media and the right doesn’t. I’m mainly just say that right is seeding distrust even where there shouldn’t be (and it’s spilling all over).

I have a (very liberal) friend who told me he thought CNN was as crazy liberal as Fox News is crazy conservative, just because he’s seen that reddit and YouTube (two places with a lot of conservative voices) love to call it the Clinton News Network. Whether CNN is biased or not, this is plainly untrue. When I told him that CNN at the very least tries to be neutral, he was legitimately surprised.

The distrust and misinformation goes beyond the simple echo chamber. There are people who will believe something if the president or his press secretary says something (regardless of party affiliation). If Trump calls CNN fake news, they’ll believe it (and regardless of whether they’re biased or not, they’re certainly not deserving of the treatment they got at that presser).

Again, there’s reason for everyone to be skeptical of what people are telling them. But to cast aside whole news organizations (and I’m not just talking CNN) is dangerous, and I’d argue the push for that is coming from the right, whether it reaches just the right or not.

Having total and complete faith in everything these news organizations put out is just as dangerous. Trying to discern the real truth from all the garbage becomes more and more difficult as the days go by and it is not limited to any specific affiliation.

SilverWook said:

Stay classy, Trump supporters.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/trump-supporter-fired-over-twitter-exchange-with-patton-oswalt-230542616.html

Interesting for sure. The man obviously does not represent all Trump supporters though Mr. Oswalt seems to feel it does.

“Oswalt continues, “The main thing that Trump supporters are excited about, now that he’s president? Is that finally, at LOOOOOONG LAST, all of the awful things they want to say, that used to lose them friends and jobs and marriages? They’re EXCITED about potentially getting to say them with ZERO repercussions. Just like Trump did. All the way into the White House. All the way into unlimited, forever power to spew any awful s*** that comes to your head and no one dares correct you, rolls their eyes, or punches you in the nose.”

I take personal offense to this part of his after-post because he is still knocking other folks he doesn’t know who’ve never spoken to him or done any of the things this one stupid realtor did.

😦

SilverWook said:

Jetrell Fo said:

SilverWook said:

Stay classy, Trump supporters.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/trump-supporter-fired-over-twitter-exchange-with-patton-oswalt-230542616.html

Interesting for sure. The man obviously does not represent all Trump supporters though Mr. Oswalt seems to feel it does.

“Oswalt continues, “The main thing that Trump supporters are excited about, now that he’s president? Is that finally, at LOOOOOONG LAST, all of the awful things they want to say, that used to lose them friends and jobs and marriages? They’re EXCITED about potentially getting to say them with ZERO repercussions. Just like Trump did. All the way into the White House. All the way into unlimited, forever power to spew any awful s*** that comes to your head and no one dares correct you, rolls their eyes, or punches you in the nose.”

I take personal offense to this part of his after-post because he is still knocking other folks he doesn’t know who’ve never spoken to him or done any of the things this one stupid realtor did.

😦

From the article:
"As Oswalt says, that’s when the “s*** storm” really started: “Pro-trump accounts BOMBING my feed with ‘wife murderer Patton Oswalt Tweets and ‘libtard cuck’ Tweets and death threats and every variety of misspelled rage.”

I read the article. I won’t condone what those people said but you can’t tell me that accounted for every Trump supporter in the country.

SilverWook said:

Jetrell Fo said:

SilverWook said:

Jetrell Fo said:

SilverWook said:

Stay classy, Trump supporters.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/trump-supporter-fired-over-twitter-exchange-with-patton-oswalt-230542616.html

Interesting for sure. The man obviously does not represent all Trump supporters though Mr. Oswalt seems to feel it does.

“Oswalt continues, “The main thing that Trump supporters are excited about, now that he’s president? Is that finally, at LOOOOOONG LAST, all of the awful things they want to say, that used to lose them friends and jobs and marriages? They’re EXCITED about potentially getting to say them with ZERO repercussions. Just like Trump did. All the way into the White House. All the way into unlimited, forever power to spew any awful s*** that comes to your head and no one dares correct you, rolls their eyes, or punches you in the nose.”

I take personal offense to this part of his after-post because he is still knocking other folks he doesn’t know who’ve never spoken to him or done any of the things this one stupid realtor did.

😦

From the article:
"As Oswalt says, that’s when the “s*** storm” really started: “Pro-trump accounts BOMBING my feed with ‘wife murderer Patton Oswalt Tweets and ‘libtard cuck’ Tweets and death threats and every variety of misspelled rage.”

I read the article. I won’t condone what those people said but you can’t tell me that accounted for every Trump supporter in the country.

Stay classy (certain) Trump supporters. Happy now?

Okay you big-feeted wookie you.

😉

nvm

Pray for those lost in the Bowling Green Massacre back in… when was it again?

I wonder if Conway is an interdimensional traveler. That would certainly explain the “alternative” part of her facts.

Look closely at the missile picture: http://web.archive.org/web/20170202210342/http://www.drudgereport.com/

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

Look closely at the missile picture: http://web.archive.org/web/20170202210342/http://www.drudgereport.com/

I see nothing unusual about it except for the repeated bombad photoshop work there.

WYSHS

SPOILER

http://www.mediaite.com/online/drudge-report-uses-photo-of-jar-jar-binks-to-lead-into-story-about-iran/

JEDIT: Holy Ric, you made the joke and I didn’t even get it, then I made the joke to explain it to you, and now I’ve just realized you didn’t need it explained. Yikes.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/eric-schneiderman-donald-trump-new-york-214734

Great piece on the New York AG and his fight against Trump

Will This Man Take Down Donald Trump?
They’ve been squaring off for years. Now New York’s attorney general is emerging as the leader of the Trump resistance.

“We don’t know what the legal consequences are yet of a lot of these executive orders,” said Healy, the attorney general of Massachusetts and a close Schneiderman ally. “But we do know that you are going to see a federal administration that is going to be rolling back consumer protections, labor protections, environmental protections, and looking to dismantle rights that have been put in place. The way you address that is you uphold the law through the courts, and that is the job of state AGs right now.”

https://twitter.com/natasharothwell/status/827393205372981250

Saddened and sickened by Frederick Douglass’ silence surrounding the Bowling Green Massacre.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/02/03/man-shot-at-louvre-carrying-suitcase.html

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827499871011819520?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

A new radical Islamic terrorist has just attacked in Louvre Museum in Paris. Tourists were locked down. France on edge again. GET SMART U.S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/02/donald-trump-often-tweets-about-terror-and-violence-but-he-ignored-an-attack-on-muslims-in-quebec-city/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.1ceec71a4f52