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DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

It is not about sides and I wish you’d stop saying “my side”.

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Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

It is not about sides and I wish you’d stop saying “my side”.

He is entitled to think there are sides and he is entitled to think you are on one of them.

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The only side Trump believes in is his own. He’s proven that over 70 years and he’s proven that with everything he’s done since he was elected. The immigration ban, put entirely on countries where he does not have investments, is merely the latest proof of that.

Trump is only on the side of America if his interests and America’s interest happen to align. If he has to choose, he chooses Trump.

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This point about banning countries he doesn’t have business dealings in is probably a bit coincidental, since his Executive order used an Obama-era list to determine the countries to ban. This list merely compiled countries with significant terrorist activity, and was forced past Obama’s desk on an omnibus spending bill by congress.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-immigration-order-obama/

The thing with Executive Orders is that they must reference specific legislation, since it is not (supposedly) in the Executive’s power to legislate. Now I would bet that if Trump didn’t have business in Saudi Arabia or the UAE, he would have found some legislation which included those countries. As it is, we can only speculate as to the why of all this.

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NeverarGreat said:

This point about banning countries he doesn’t have business dealings in is probably a bit coincidental, since his Executive order used an Obama-era list to determine the countries to ban. This list merely compiled countries with significant terrorist activity, and was forced past Obama’s desk on an omnibus spending bill by congress.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-immigration-order-obama/

Fair enough. I stand by everything else I said however. And they definitely shouldn’t have talked about 9/11 if they were going to ignore all of those countries.

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Here is a legitimate question …

Will anyone blame the evil which causes refugees?

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Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

It is not about sides and I wish you’d stop saying “my side”.

He is entitled to think there are sides and he is entitled to think you are on one of them.

I agree. I however, find that mentality to be obstructive, and I am entitled to think that.

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NeverarGreat said:

This point about banning countries he doesn’t have business dealings in is probably a bit coincidental, since his Executive order used an Obama-era list to determine the countries to ban. This list merely compiled countries with significant terrorist activity, and was forced past Obama’s desk on an omnibus spending bill by congress.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-immigration-order-obama/

The thing with Executive Orders is that they must reference specific legislation, since it is not (supposedly) in the Executive’s power to legislate. Now I would bet that if Trump didn’t have business in Saudi Arabia or the UAE, he would have found some legislation which included those countries. As it is, we can only speculate as to the why of all this.

One thing I have noticed that nobody here seems to be addressing is the understanding that a large number of these refugees that claim a nation as their home aren’t even native to that country. They were in those countries because they may have been fleeing somewhere else. The FBI did address this particular issue but it seems it’s been glossed over. They alone still have 1,000 vetting investigations on the books as of today.

It was also noted that countries people are complaining about that did not make the list may actually end up on the list once the details get sorted. Without any facts except for embellished headlines that point fingers and call names I don’t see how any of us could even say anything else for certain.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-sanfrancisco-idUSKBN15F2B1

Legal challenges to President Donald Trump’s first moves on immigration spread on Tuesday, with three states suing over his executive order banning travel into the United States by citizens of seven majority-Muslim countries.

Massachusetts, New York and Virginia joined the legal battle against the travel ban, which the White House deems necessary to improve national security.

The challenges contend the order violated the U.S. Constitution’s guarantees of religious freedom.

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Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

It is not about sides and I wish you’d stop saying “my side”.

It absolutely shouldn’t be about sides but unfortunately that’s what’s being pushed from the right.

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Jetrell Fo said:

Here is a legitimate question …

Will anyone blame the evil which causes refugees?

You mean… us, and the invasion of Iraq?

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http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/01/31/iraq-boy-burned-surgery-immigration-trump-executive-order/

Many families have been torn apart including the family of a boy who was badly burned at a refugee camp.

“Dilbreen, at the age of about a year and a half, was severely burned,” said Carrie Schuchardt from House of Peace in Ipswich.

After a heater exploded in the Iraqi refugee camp where he was sleeping, an aid group got two travel visas and rushed the boy to Shriner’s Hospital in Boston along with his father.

After preliminary surgery, his dad returned to their war-ravaged country to be with his wife as she gave birth to Dilbreen’s little brother. It was November 8th an hour before Donald Trump won the election. They named the baby ‘Trump.’

Dilbreen was set for a second surgery this month. His family was set to stay at the Peace House in Ipswich. Then they got the news their visas were suddenly revoked.

“So they are stranded in Iraq,” Schuchardt said. “The child is here. The need for surgery is pressing.”

No matter what your views on this order are, whether you think it’s a Muslim ban or not, whether it’s a ban or not, you have to admit that this is fucked up and wrong.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trump-republican-congress-honeymoon-over-immigration-order/515067/

Top lawmakers and party aides accused the White House of blindsiding them with an executive order on immigration that sowed chaos at major U.S. airports, contradicting administration officials who claimed that Capitol Hill had taken a leading role in writing the policy. Senior aides to the chairmen of the House Homeland Security, Judiciary, and Foreign Affairs committees all said the White House failed to consult them on the immigration directive, which led to lawsuits and widespread protests across the country over the weekend. More Republican lawmakers issued statements critical of Trump’s action on Sunday evening and Monday, even as many said they supported a temporary halt to the refugee program and restrictions on travel from Muslim countries.

“It would have been smarter to coordinate with us,” Representative Dave Brat of Virginia, a Trump ally, said in a phone interview on Monday. “They could have done a better job announcing how the complexities were going to work in advance.”

Republicans were particularly angry that the Trump administration did not initially exempt green-card holders, or those who had served as military or diplomatic interpreters from the ban. “In the future, such policy changes should be better coordinated with the agencies implementing them and with Congress to ensure we get it right—and don’t undermine our nation’s credibility while trying to restore it,” Representative Michael McCaul of Texas, the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said in a statement.

A senior administration official told reporters in a background briefing on Sunday night that “Republicans on Capitol Hill wrote” the policy—a statement that Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, defended on Monday. But multiple top Republican aides said the assertion was false.

“Ha! That’s my formal response,” said one senior GOP aide. “There was precisely zero coordination with us on the drafting of this executive order.” The aide said that one or two “rogue staffers” with the House Judiciary Committee had worked informally with the White House on the order, but that the administration never formally involved the relevant congressional leaders. Separately, an aide with the Judiciary Committee said that the panel’s chairman, Representative Bob Goodlatte of Virginia, was “not consulted by the administration”—a sign that the staffers working under him had helped the White House without Goodlatte’s knowledge. Politico reported Monday night that the Judiciary Committee staffers signed nondisclosure agreements.

It’s going to get very lonely for ol’ Trumpy soon, I feel.

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Jeebus said:

Trump’s Supreme Court nominee is Neil Gorsuch.

I don’t know too much about him, but my research leads me to believe that he’s in favor of money in politics. So much for “draining the swamp,” eh Donnie?

http://www.demos.org/publication/judge-gorsuch’s-extreme-views-could-undermine-urgently-needed-money-politics-reforms

Fantastic article, and thanks for turning me onto that site. I love the sources and citations.

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DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

It is not about sides and I wish you’d stop saying “my side”.

It absolutely shouldn’t be about sides but unfortunately that’s what’s being pushed from the right.

This would indicate that the “left” is pushing it as well, correct?

Here is an interesting look at what people says is only Trump’s doing … via Congressional Hearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KWgZ323Kko

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Handman said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Here is a legitimate question …

Will anyone blame the evil which causes refugees?

You mean… us, and the invasion of Iraq?

I hate this mentality. If a terrorist blows up a marketplace, it’s not his fault. It’s the fault of the U.S. for invading in 2003. It has nothing to do with their pre-existing ideology or extremist and intolerant views. It has nothing to do with his personal responsibility or the teachings of the group to which he aligns and identifies. It’s all the U.S. Stupid oversimplification.

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darth_ender said:

Handman said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Here is a legitimate question …

Will anyone blame the evil which causes refugees?

You mean… us, and the invasion of Iraq?

I hate this mentality. If a terrorist blows up a marketplace, it’s not his fault. It’s the fault of the U.S. for invading in 2003. It has nothing to do with their pre-existing ideology or extremist and intolerant views. It has nothing to do with his personal responsibility or the teachings of the group to which he aligns and identifies. It’s all the U.S. Stupid oversimplification.

I mean…you guys are both kind of right. Blame can be assigned to more than one factor.

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Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

It is not about sides and I wish you’d stop saying “my side”.

It absolutely shouldn’t be about sides but unfortunately that’s what’s being pushed from the right.

This would indicate that the “left” is pushing it as well, correct?

It’s no secret that the country is becoming more polarized. But my point was that the right is choosing to make bipartisan issues partisan. When things like basic American principles are at stake, sides shouldn’t factor into it, and yet that’s exactly what’s happening on the right.