Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 69

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

TV’s Frink said:

Has he called her President of England yet?

Presidents tend to get elected.
We have an unelected party leader as unelected Prime Minister to an hereditary monarch.

But I thought your Prime Minister was the leader of the party in the majority in the House of Commons? Isn’t that decided via elections?

Like Gordon Brown before her May wasn’t elected leader. She became leader because Cameron resigned and nobody stood against her. She wasn’t chosen to represent the UK in any context. She was elected as a member of parliament. But yep that’s how we do things.

Tyrphanax said:

https://thinkprogress.org/islamic-center-of-victoria-fire-8a683f632a7a#.5177v9a3b

A Texas mosque was set on fire just hours after Trump signed an executive order restricting migration from Muslim-majority countries.

The Islamic Center of Victoria was set on fire around 2 a.m. on Saturday, according to local reports.

I guess we can go back to the 1950s/60s after all. Lovely that we’ll get to experience another civil rights crisis in this country.

Maybe this time we’ll learn.

The article in question is placing the blame on a Trump supporter committing arson without actually saying it, because the people there don’t know how the fire started.

Paul Hulbert, a clerk at a nearby 7-Eleven convenience store and gas station, said he called the fire department just before 2 a.m. after he saw smoke and flames while taking out the trash. He said he noticed nothing suspicious at the mosque before or after the fire.

Victoria Fire Marshal Tom Legler, who was on scene, said he had no theories about how the fire started. He said he would have to wait until the fire diminished to begin his investigation.

By 6:30 a.m., with the fire extinguished, Victoria Fire Marshal investigators were beginning their investigation into the fire’s cause, he said. The Victoria Fire Marshal’s Office has requested help in their investigation from the State Fire Marshal’s Office and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2017/jan/28/breaking-fire-consumes-victoria-islamic-center/

The exact cause of the fire is unknown.
http://abc13.com/news/fire-destroys-victoria-mosque/1725497/

Correlation does not equal causation, and it’s a bit irresponsible of that article to make an unsubstantiated claim, but in defense of that article:

Victoria Fire Marshal Tom Legler told the Victoria Advocate he had no theories about the cause of the fire, but he is seeking assistance from state and federal fire investigators.

It may very well be likely it was a Trump supporter committing arson, but the evidence so far does not support that claim.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m curious where the line is drawn for punching people like Richard Spencer. Essentially, the justification is that he says despicable things (which he does, I won’t shed a single tear when he dies and doubtlessly burns in hell for all time), but if we are allowed to punch people who say despicable things, are we allowed to slash their tires? Throw a brick through their window? Where does it stop?

It’s like porn, I don’t know how to define where it stops, but I’ll know it when I see it…and a Nazi getting punched isn’t it.

Apparently you’ve forgotten about the 1st amendment and laws against assault.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m curious where the line is drawn for punching people like Richard Spencer. Essentially, the justification is that he says despicable things (which he does, I won’t shed a single tear when he dies and doubtlessly burns in hell for all time), but if we are allowed to punch people who say despicable things, are we allowed to slash their tires? Throw a brick through their window? Where does it stop?

It’s like porn, I don’t know how to define where it stops, but I’ll know it when I see it…and a Nazi getting punched isn’t it.

I liked watching it too; I’m just curious where the line is.

A punch feels about right, so long as Spencer keeps his despicableness to words.

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

TV’s Frink said:

Has he called her President of England yet?

Presidents tend to get elected.
We have an unelected party leader as unelected Prime Minister to an hereditary monarch.

But I thought your Prime Minister was the leader of the party in the majority in the House of Commons? Isn’t that decided via elections?

Like Gordon Brown before her May wasn’t elected leader. She became leader because Cameron resigned and nobody stood against her. She wasn’t chosen to represent the UK in any context. She was elected as a member of parliament. But yep that’s how we do things.

But she is the leader of the majority party that was elected to parliament, correct?

I don’t like these guys any more than I like Westboro Baptist Church or Nation of Islam or any other despicable humans, but that does not justify assaulting them for their words. Last I checked, it was still a free country (though notably less so for the past few days).

darth_ender said:

I don’t like these guys any more than I like Westboro Baptist Church or Nation of Islam or any other despicable humans, but that does not justify assaulting them for their words. Last I checked, it was still a free country (though notably less so for the past few days).

I agree with you on this. Violence is violence in my book. People can’t encourage violence, while at the same time saying it’s atrocious, without being a hypocrite.

I tend to consider myself a pacifist, and I’m not advocating any laws or anything that’s makes this explicitly okay, but sorry if I can’t help myself if I smile when a Nazi gets socked. Sue me.

DominicCobb said:

I tend to consider myself a pacifist, and I’m not advocating any laws or anything that’s makes this explicitly okay, but sorry if I can’t help myself if I smile when a Nazi gets socked. Sue me.

Oh don’t get me wrong, I admit I do too. But still, we cannot, from a legal perspective, give a pass to the assaulter, even if here on the Internet we can all get a good chuckle at the expense of that shmuck.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

I tend to consider myself a pacifist, and I’m not advocating any laws or anything that’s makes this explicitly okay, but sorry if I can’t help myself if I smile when a Nazi gets socked. Sue me.

Right. It’s kind of like when a really rude and insane customer at a store is screaming at an employee and someone steps in and schools them.

Except that you don’t even have to pretend it’s wrong in that case.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/316714-federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide

Finally some sanity in the insanity. Hopefully this can be permanently put to an end.

JEDIT: Beat to the punch. Yeah, I agree, Tyr. Proud of our nation’s ability to resist injustice.

I just kept hearing stories of so many people unfairly denied entry - not just refugees, but people with green cards who’ve lived here for years in some cases, war heroes that were interpreters for US soldiers, students, professors, and people who were within weeks of full citizenship. It was heartbreaking. And the protests and the chaos at the airports - I just knew this couldn’t stand, there had to be some way to stop it. Thankful to the ACLU and the justice system.

I just really hope that somehow it’s gotten through Trump’s thick skull that this wasn’t necessarily the best decision, and that he’ll lay off so that any damage done can be mended. If not, it might be time to seriously start considering impeachment (and I don’t take this lightly because Pence is just as bad, but if Trump can’t listen to reason we need someone who can).

This is America at her finest for sure. Sometimes seeing it takes time and a nudge from an unlikely situation.

On a separate note, I’d like to share a post I found from a Native American regarding his thoughts on this recent Executive Order issue. These are not my words nor does he speak for me or anyone else.

Listen, people. Being politically correct is a slow death. Hate is real. Whole countries have hated us since before we existed. Our nation decimated my Indian ancestors. Can’t change or fix that. But feeling bad doesn’t change the fact that there are men in certain countries that would spend big money to do unspeakable things to yours and mine. That being said, let’s be real and understand that not one single person reading this, or otherwise, is gonna change shit!

You can choose to cry, grovel, associate, etc., THESE MOFOS HATE US! They probably should. America sprouted out of nowhere, with a common interest of freedom. Are you really free? We’re all slaves to our jobs, for what? Cool house, car, or whatever bullshit they tell you you need? I say it’s all a farce, and it will never mean shit until people realize that none of us control our destiny. Most let the idiot box do it for them.

Question. Can you fish? Hunt? Build? Fight? THINK? LIVE? Then maybe you’ll make it for the short fucking time you’re allowed to spin through space! Nothing is promised, from the day we were born. Instead of some hateful rebuttal, think about it. What are we here for? What’s really worth getting upset and or dying for? My family and my fellow countrymen is all I have. So if some asshole that wants to subjucate me more than I already am, can’t fly here to kill me or one of my family? I say rot in the sand.

We’ve already seen what trying to make some cultures assimilate does. Cultural marxism is only a failure if we keep trying to accompish it. THEY HATE US! Not the other way around.

Peace!

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/316714-federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide

Finally some sanity in the insanity. Hopefully this can be permanently put to an end.

JEDIT: Beat to the punch. Yeah, I agree, Tyr. Proud of our nation’s ability to resist injustice.

By mere moments, my friend.

Here’s the whole decision.

About damn time! I still don’t quite believe it, but things seems to returning to a normal level of ‘sane’

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/316714-federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide

Finally some sanity in the insanity. Hopefully this can be permanently put to an end.

JEDIT: Beat to the punch. Yeah, I agree, Tyr. Proud of our nation’s ability to resist injustice.

By mere moments, my friend.

Here’s the whole decision.

God bless the ACLU.