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yhwx said:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/daca-deal-obstacles-flake-white-house/index.html

President Donald Trump, using vulgar terms, rejected a pitch Thursday from a bipartisan team of senators on a compromise immigration deal to protect DACA participants while increasing border security.

“Why do we want all these people from ‘shithole countries’ coming here?” Trump told senators in the Oval Office, a source briefed on the meeting told CNN.

Disgusting man, that Trump…

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moviefreakedmind said:

Liberals and Democrats are not hostile to religion and Christianity in particular. Secularism is not hostile to people’s personal beliefs. Also, since so many Republicans were willing to vote for Trump, that shows that they’re pretty willing to throw their traditional Christian morals into the dumpster when their candidate is the complete antithesis of their supposed values. I’m not aware of anyone denying candidates their right to subscribe to whatever religion they want. People vote against candidates based on their religiosity, but that’s everyone’s right and is completely different. As for the environment, disagreeing that mankind is having an adverse effect on our planet that will irreversibly damage it and our own living conditions if we don’t address it immediately is improper because it’s the wrong position. Climate change denial is objectively untrue. It’s patently false. I see no reason to debate it. It’s like debating whether or not setting your own hair on fire would damage your scalp.

It is hostility to religion that generates the claim that conservatives are trying to establish biblical rule.

As for the environment, there is valid disagreement on what is happening and what the solutions should be. It’s one thing to say mankind is having an effect on the planet, and saying every measured change is due to mankind and it’s going to kill us in short order.

The blue elephant in the room.

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^ Best point I ever made.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Hey, needed to make something out of an accidental post.

The blue elephant in the room.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Liberals and Democrats are not hostile to religion and Christianity in particular.

Not all, but many are.

Can you tell me why Hillary, being a Methodist herself, did not bolster her appearance as a person of the Christian faith? Can you tell me why Obama, being a member of United Church of Christ, did not openly refute accusations that he was Muslim rather than letting people carry on forever with it?

For my money, it’s because it doesn’t target their base.

 
…As opposed to Republicans, who (and this is an enormous pet peeve of mine) co-opt their so-called Christianity for political points.

smh. I get frustrated just thinking about it.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Probably a lot.


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chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Liberals and Democrats are not hostile to religion and Christianity in particular.

Not all, but many are.

Can you tell me why Hillary, being a Methodist herself, did not bolster her appearance as a person of the Christian faith? Can you tell me why Obama, being a member of United Church of Christ, did not openly refute accusations that he was Muslim rather than letting people carry on forever with it?

For my money, it’s because it doesn’t target their base.

It’s actually probably because they realized that it had no relevance to their candidacies and had no bearing on their abilities as potential presidents. As for the Muslim theory, I’m assuming he didn’t refute it because it was a psychotic conspiracy theory only believed by insane people or rightwing hacks.

 
…As opposed to Republicans, who (and this is an enormous pet peeve of mine) co-opt their so-called Christianity for political points.

Yes and this is worse than not pretending to be religious. The fact that liberals are accepting of candidates that leave God out of their rhetoric is more respectable than people that accept predatory and adulterous conmen like Donald Trump because he pretended to be a Christian.

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The only open hostility towards religion I see comes from Republicans against Muslims.

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what about all those people fighting against Christmas?

/sarcasm

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DominicCobb said:

The only open hostility towards religion I see comes from Republicans against Muslims.

I’ve seen quite a bit of left wing hostility towards organized religion, so it exists, especially in academia.

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NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

The only open hostility towards religion I see comes from Republicans against Muslims.

I’ve seen quite a bit of left wing hostility towards organized religion, so it exists, especially in academia.

I meant elected officials.

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moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Liberals and Democrats are not hostile to religion and Christianity in particular.

Not all, but many are.

Can you tell me why Hillary, being a Methodist herself, did not bolster her appearance as a person of the Christian faith? Can you tell me why Obama, being a member of United Church of Christ, did not openly refute accusations that he was Muslim rather than letting people carry on forever with it?

For my money, it’s because it doesn’t target their base.

It’s actually probably because they realized that it had no relevance to their candidacies and had no bearing on their abilities as potential presidents. As for the Muslim theory, I’m assuming he didn’t refute it because it was a psychotic conspiracy theory only believed by insane people or rightwing hacks.

There’s a continuum between the minimum religious exposition deemed politically required, and the maximum deemed non-ostentatious, and nearly all Democrats and Republicans can be found somewhere on this continuum. Not all Democrats are crowded at one end with Republicans at the other, although there’s probably a gradual trend that way. Neither Clinton nor Obama made any sort of secret at all of their religious affiliation, they just didn’t trumpet it at regular intervals. All the time and effort you spend fighting insane conspiracy theories can’t be spent reaching out to sane people who may actually vote for you.

 
…As opposed to Republicans, who (and this is an enormous pet peeve of mine) co-opt their so-called Christianity for political points.

Yes and this is worse than not pretending to be religious. The fact that liberals are accepting of candidates that leave God out of their rhetoric is more respectable than people that accept predatory and adulterous conmen like Donald Trump because he pretended to be a Christian.

I don’t really think anyone was fooled. Just look at the man – his words, his actions, his history. Some of his attempts at remedial Bible-thumping on the campaign trail were so laughably inept that Mr. Atheist over here cringed to hear them. I’m sure there’s true believers out there that think Holy Water can be wrung out of his hotel bedsheets, but for most observers, he was an honorary member of their tribe, a fellow traveler, someone with the same goals. And those goals were just an unrelated demographic overlap with his religious supporters. He was the all racism all the time candidate, and that was the only appeal he needed. IMO the Christian appeal was just a fig leaf so that his voters could add some sort of moral plausibility to their decision.

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DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

The only open hostility towards religion I see comes from Republicans against Muslims.

I’ve seen quite a bit of left wing hostility towards organized religion, so it exists, especially in academia.

I meant elected officials.

An obvious and recent example was Senator Feinstein’s questioning of Amy Coney Barrett. You can find apologists for Feinstein’s inappropriate questions, but I guarantee Democrats would burst if a Republican asked a comparable question of a Muslim.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

The only open hostility towards religion I see comes from Republicans against Muslims.

I’ve seen quite a bit of left wing hostility towards organized religion, so it exists, especially in academia.

I meant elected officials.

An obvious and recent example was Senator Feinstein’s questioning of Amy Coney Barrett. You can find apologists for Feinstein’s inappropriate questions, but I guarantee Democrats would burst if a Republican asked a comparable question of a Muslim.

Yeah, that was nasty. I can understand why you might have to dig into unrelated matters when you’re questioning someone without any experience to take into consideration, but dig somewhere else.

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Well this is strange.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/01/13/hawaiians-get-ballistic-missile-threat-messages/?utm_term=.02e734df2ab8

Emergency alerts sent to the cellphones of Hawaii residents Saturday warning of a “ballistic missile threat” were a false alarm reportedly sent by mistake, officials said.

Shortly after 8 a.m. local time Saturday, several alarmed Hawaii residents began posting screenshots of alerts they had received, reading: “BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.”

The Hawaii Emergency Management Agency tweeted at 8:20 a.m. local time that there was no missile threat to the state.