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Original Trilogy set I made from Laser Disc to DVD (using the Faces LDs) (Released) — Page 3

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"is kinda like FTP for the modern dumb- ass."

What, exactly, are you accusing me of?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"is kinda like FTP for the modern dumb- ass."

What, exactly, are you accusing me of?


That was really for me and all my failed FTP efforts

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Hey there Spider.....


I have to ask you a few technigcal questions about your set that have been burning me up.

#1 - What recoding mode did you select when your recorded this to your Panasonic DMR-E80 - Did you use the "FR" setting?

#2 - Can you please use a program based DVD player like say.. "Bitrate Viewer" and give us the lowdown on the set?

Here's so info on SPIDERS Panasonic DMR-E80 - From that one guy 's website -

The E80 offers five recording modes (or speeds, to use VCR terminology): XP, SP, LP, EP, and FR. XP is the highest quality, using an entire 4.7GB DVD-R or DVD-RAM for a single hour. SP is the default recording speed, and can fit two hours onto a DVD-R (or around 35 hours onto the hard drive); this is directly comparable to SP mode on VHS (two hours on a 120-minute tape) as far as capacity is concerned, and is probably the best speed to use for general purpose work. LP and EP are also comparable to their VHS counterparts as far as recording time is concerned -- four hours on a disc for LP, and six hours for EP. FR is something completely different from the traditional "VHS" recording mindset. It allows the user to specify the duration of the program to be recorded (anywhere from one to six hours on a disc) in one-minute increments, and the E80 optimizes the compression for that duration. When transferring material from the hard drive to a DVD-R, it is best to use either XP, SP, or FR mode; which to use will depend on the specific material being saved. LP and EP might be useful for time-shifting programs you are not interested in preserving. For recording broadcast TV or VHS video, XP offers no visible benefits over SP on my 27" Mitsubishi. There is visible artifacting when switching from SP to LP, and EP just magnifies the problem. I'm sure there are some cases where LP or EP might be valuable (LP might be OK for some time shifting, especially of older or poorer quality programs that may look a bit drab to begin with), but for the vast majority of what I plan to do I'll be using SP.



“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Also, what do you do about layer changes?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Also, what do you do about layer changes?


Yea, let us in on your capture "secrets"

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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I just want to update about play back on some DVD players. Some DVD player the colors are not set right. On my SONY DVD player there is "STANDARD" and DYNAMIC" CINEMA" none of these setting are very good but you can make your own setting in "MEMORY"
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Originally posted by: Spider
I just want to update about play back on some DVD players. Some DVD player the colors are not set right. On my SONY DVD player there is "STANDARD" and DYNAMIC" CINEMA" none of these setting are very good but you can make your own setting in "MEMORY"


1st. SO you're saying that your set MAY or MAY NOT look good based on the brand of DVD player chosen for the playback?

2nd. Weird, I've never heard of a DVD that had playback like that before - I mean I've heard of some DVD's coming with the "THX Optimizer that is used to calibrate the performance of your home theater system" - BUT it is NOT required to veiw the DVD.

3rd. WHO has actually tooled around in their DVD players menus to adjust for color before and will this calibrationneed to be done EVERY time I want to watch the DVD's?? (will I not have to "revert" the colors to watch every other DVD?)

That being stated...

Would this not then suggest that the TRIED and TRUE method of PC based capturing is still FAR superior to SET-TOP boxes?

So now based on your update will you now include a "SPIDER Optimizer" DVD with that $20 charge?

- Listen I really do want this set for my collection and I'd to the 20 if you include a "SPIDER Optimizer" DVD so I can watch your set without having to TUNE my DVD player

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Its sony DVD player I found out that they set there colors different then other companies. Pioneer APEX JVC color setting are the same. Sony are set different so the color looks more like film. I have alway found Sony DVD player to have less pop on there colors. Thats why you have to set the color your self on SONY DVD players. It has nothing to do with my set. Its the DVD play. DVD look bad on Sony. If you like nice color pop you have to set it your self.
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My sony region 2 player does a sterling job at playing most dvd's and I usually have the cinema setting on to enrich the black.
Colour output looks fine on my wega tv.
Egon "Don't Cross the streams it would be very bad"

Peter "i'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing"

Egon "lmagine the 97 Star Wars Special Editions"
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Originally posted by: zion
Um, I think I did that back at the beginning.
I certainly wasn't attacking you, Zion. I don't really think it's anyone's fault, but still negative energy was clearly oozing through this thread; hostility rather than hospitality shown to a new forum member.

Zion you'd be able to understand from Spidy's side better than me or most members here.
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"DanielB" Thank you for your support.
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I have to ask you a few technigcal questions about your set that have been burning me up.

#1 - What recoding mode did you select when your recorded this to your Panasonic DMR-E80 - Did you use the "FR" setting?

#2 - Can you please use a program based DVD player like say.. "Bitrate Viewer" and give us the lowdown on the set?


1- I use SP recording mode to capture Star Wars I did not use FR mode. When making copies your better off just pick a recording mode then FR. Most people think if they record in XP mode and dub down it give a better picture not true it's like hooking up two DVD players and making another copy or two VCRs.

2-Bitrate taken from "BITRATE VIEWER" CURRENT 4390, PEAK 7861, AVERAGE 4024



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What do you do about layer changes?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I edit them out with MPEG2VCR. I copy to the hard drive first side one or both side some times and then burn to DVD-RAM then take it to the PC to be editted.
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"then burn to DVD-RAM then take it to the PC to be editted."

Are you joining the MPEGs together, or do you make a new MPEG?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I take all three MPEG2 files and edit it back to one file.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"then burn to DVD-RAM then take it to the PC to be editted."

Are you joining the MPEGs together, or do you make a new MPEG?

Originally posted by: Spider
I take all three MPEG2 files and edit it back to one file.


SO you still have not answered MeBeJedi - Did you have to re-encode the video or were they just joined??

- BTW, Spider thanks for the info - MAN, I wish I can get a set!

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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OH, and another few questions.....

1. How did you get subtitles/ Closed captions on it??

2. What is the audio bitrate for your Dolby Digital 2.0 track?


Again THANKS!

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Originally posted by: Spider
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"Rikter" They way you record Closed Caption subtitles. Is with a DVD recorder or VCR. So far there is no PC capture card that can record them with the MPEG 2. ATI AIW can capture them to a text file but not in the MPEG 2. Closed Caption is in the picture not the audio. One reason I think PC capture cards are not that good is that they do not line up the picture just right. I have found this when playing back my files with PowerDVD.

As for the audio its 256 kbps DD 2.0

I also want to update that when join two MPEG 2 files with MPEG2VCR there is a lock up on old DVD players. Very old DVD player. I have one of the first Sony DVD players. it has also had problems with Lord Of the Rings the real copy not the back up. I have test my back up of Star Wars on APEX Panasonic Playstation 2 and Pioneer no problems. I did a test on another sony player a newer one about a year or two old after the second break you see some green blocks. Seems funny that Sonys Playstation 2 did a better job then a stand alone sony DVD player. So the only problem that really big is my old six or seven year old sony DVD player.

Also I did make a back up set with my Panasonic E80 using FR mode this set was made about a year ago this set has no problems with play back on my Sony DVD player.

I will rate my SP copies If laser Disc copies are a 10 then my SP copy would be a 9.5 my FR mode copies would be 9.3

Yes the Sp copies are little better but after watching them again and taken a second look FR copy is very close second. But if you are going to make a FR copy and dub down do it in the one hour mode XP.
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I fixed the lock up problem from the edit parts of the movie where the LDs get flipped. Before I was editting with MPEG2VCR and join the files back to make one big file. This was a problem with old DVD players about six or so years. This is how I fixed the problem with my Panasonic E80. I first recorder to the hard drive. I can record to DVD-RAM but have read that at the end of the disc the bitrate may drop to keep with the time settings. So i record to the hard drive first. Then dubbed to DVD-RAM there is no recoding going from hard drive to DVD-RAM. DVD-RAM or if you have a recorder that uses DVD-RW they use a VRO file. Ever thing is in one file system. I then went to the DVD-RAM and editted out the laserDisc flips. It deletes that part of the file you do not want. Then took it back to the PC and use MPEF2VCR and "DeMultiplexer" the file. Reason for doing this you can not play back the file right after delete after you do any thing to the VRO file. You also have to do this if you record in FR mode if you have two or more rcordings in the VRO file. Then I "Multipexer" the file to together. "DeMultiplexer" what it does it split the Video and audio into two files and "Multipexer" put the two files back together. There is a small light pause in the flips. But this copy will play in any DVD player that can play DVD-R.

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Wow...that sounds like a whole lotta work! Glad to see you got it worked out.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>