Movies generally considered "bad" that you like. — Page 11

TV’s Frink said:

ray_afraid said:

I’m not super familiar with all the Bond movies, but I loved A View to a Kill.

FTFM

Granted I have seen it in many many years so I have no idea if it holds up. But the song still holds up for sure.

It’s easily the worst movie in the series. I like it though in a so-bad-it’s-good way.

ray_afraid said:

I’m not super familiar with all the Bond movies, but I loved License to Kill.
Usually when I’ve mentioned this, the Bond fans get huffy, but not on this site. I mentioned it in the Bond thread and kinda expected to be throwing a bomb into the tread, but surprisingly I found that I’m not alone!

It’s pretty good. I didn’t like it when I was a six year-old, but I liked it more once I was at least 15 or 16.

SilverWook said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Eh, I haven’t seen much (if any) love for Licence to Kill. I’d say that one’s pretty widely regarded as bad, or at least a misstep.

I think it’s been reappraised in some circles as we’ve had grittier 007 outings since then. And aside from the opening of Diamonds Are Forever it’s the only time we’ve seen Bond truly going rogue.

I met John Glen, the director of LTK and TLD (plus much more), a couple of years ago and he said that Dalton’s Bond was ahead of its time and was much closer than the previous actors as to how Fleming had depicted Bond in the novels.

SilverWook said:

We got hosed on more Dalton films in any event.

Yeah, although the producers had always wanted Pierce Brosnan all along to replace Moore but his contract for Remington Steele had scuppered those plans.

moviefreakedmind said:

I also love Tomorrow Never Dies.

Me too and hopefully the original uncut version will surface one day.

http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/bbfc_cuts_tomorrow_never_dies.htm

Any QoS fans? Now that one, I felt was irredeemably bad.

ChainsawAsh said:

The opera scene is fucking great though and I’ll fight anyone who says otherwise.

Speed Racer

I actually really enjoy this flick. Very heartfelt and has a surprisingly euphoric climax. It’s even funner to watch with some special substances considering the crazy ass colors.

Long list: Batman Forever, Flash Gordon, The Shadow, The Phantom and many many more. Why some deride Temple of Doom will forever confuse me.

For me personally the Bonds have never and will never be treated with the respect they deserve, almost as a victim of the series’ success. LTK is where I draw the line in the sand, as the Brosnan era is where all the real modern issues started cropping up. They have their moments but all four have deeply problematic flaws despite my continual defense of them.

The first sixteen though are inscribed upon my being. LTK was long bashed about until modern sensibilities “rediscovered” it and now it is TLD that is the forgotten film. It absolutely kills me when I see deep negativity concerning what are labeled as lesser entries. Not liking a particular style is one thing, but to write off films when the writer clearly did not understand the tone or aim is another entirely. Derision about the Mankiewicz trilogy (DAF, LALD, TMWTGG) gets me right in the gut. The first is a dark humored cartoon strip for adults, the second a back to basics two fisted adventure story, and the third an attempt to bring back grandeur. Additionally there were the declining fortunes of the British film industry to consider, the falling box office returns and the dissolution of the Saltzman-Broccoli partnership during this time.
Moonraker long gets derided for the admittedly off putting humor, but overall it tries to go beyond TSWLM in terms of scale. Octopussy suffers from its messy script but overall works as a fine piece of craftsmanship-and absolutely obliterates the pitiful NSNA.
AVTAK is an oddball. It was clear the series was downshifting amidst changing times, but by keeping Roger on for another go, it allows for a much more somber and refreshing tone of older age to begin seeping in that provides much more interest in what is admittedly a far lower key story.

The ultimate I may be mad entry? I absolutely adore the 1967 Casino Royale now. Madcap, balls to the wall insane, but really quite damn hilarious and quirky-with a cast you couldn’t even dream up. I think it is not only the best worst film ever made, but unforgettably masterful. The Herculean effort of bringing the multitude of materials into something even resembling cohesion finally sank in and I actually think in some strange way it actually works.

As you guys all know the current era made me want to go jump off a cliff, but they’ve managed to go steadily downhill ever since. The worst was Spectre because now that they want to finally reintroduce classic elements it becomes painfully obvious that it just doesn’t work with the current style. Spectre was literally like a beyond dull unending fashion/fragrance/car advertisement. At the very least QoS tried to introduce some gritty never before done elements despite having a script crisis far worse than TND did.

I will admit that I’ve only been absolutely destroyed by how devastatingly bad a picture is a handful of times. One was CR 2006. One was Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. One was TFA. And then there was what happened to poor Speed. Oh gosh it’s like reopening a fresh wound. My curiosity got the better of me and I went to Speed Racer in what was an empty theater during its second week. I get what they were going after in terms of tone, but jeez how could you literally miss 99.99999% of what the original was about? Most painful was that the actual heart and spirit of the show was absolutely nowhere to be found. This should have been the greatest car film ever made, it should have been about racing and misadventures, it should have been deeply rooted in Japanese ethics. But bright colors beyond any comprehension. Hubba Hubba.

Again these are my own thoughts and if you liked any of these that’s absolutely your prerogative.

captainsolo said:

the second a back to basics two fisted adventure story,

Live and Let Die is a weird blaxploitation film that is downright farcical all the way through. I like it, but that’s what it is.

I will admit that I’ve only been absolutely destroyed by how devastatingly bad a picture is a handful of times. One was CR 2006. One was Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. One was TFA.

No film should have that effect on anyone.

captainsolo said:

I will admit that I’ve only been absolutely destroyed by how devastatingly bad a picture is a handful of times. One was CR 2006. One was Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. One was TFA. And then there was what happened to poor Speed.

A common thread for all these films is that they are updating the look and feel of a much older property. Not having much history with the Bond franchise, I didn’t mind Casino Royale and it seemed competently made. KotCS was a disappointment on much more than the visual style of course, but the new look and feel of TFA was expected since the final trailer, for me at any rate. I remember the moment when I had to adjust my expectations: After watching the trailer, my brother and I looked at each other and knew that this wasn’t going to be a return to the used-universe aesthetic of the originals, no matter what JJ had promised. Everything about the production looked modern, slick, and CG’d. Everyone’s had time to get used to the new look of Star Wars, but it was quite a disappointment to see such an iconic look be sublimated into a film for modern sensibilities. Were my expectations unrealistic? Absolutely. I think it’s important to appreciate a work of art as it exists in the present day, and not hold it to the standard of a time long gone. After all, if Star Wars was made today you can bet that it would use CGI and the cinematographic shorthand of the time.