Mono mix for Moth3r's ANH DVD — Page 3

Author: russs15
Time: 30-May-2006 4:32 AM
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Originally posted by: ryecatcher74
Thanks Moth3r, got it and made the disc successfully with Dr. M's version. There's only one problem...I'd really prefer the original PAL mono-mix! I still like the video quality far more in Moth3r's original, and I also realized that I can't make a disc with the mono-mix as a bonus audio track when using the NTSC version. Since the PCM track on Dr. M's disc isn't recognized by dvdauthorgui (as far as I can tell), I can only make a disc with just the mono mix. With Moth3r's, the original audio is an ac3 file, and I know enough about dvd authoring that I could make the dvd a dual soundtrack disc simply by adding the mono ac3. I realize there are likely ways to get around all this, but I'm new at encoding and authoring and all that... I really have no idea and can't seem to figure it out from the information I've found on the subject.

I had the exact same problem as you with the NTSC version but managed to get both tracks on the PAL Moth3r version with no obvious loss of quality. I did lose all the chapters but I can live with that!!!

Moth3r - I love the new pic you have.......

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.......I remember it well in spite of the very large amount of beer, Pringles and pizza consumed on the day!!!!!

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Author: Moth3r
Time: 30-May-2006 5:22 AM
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Originally posted by: russs15
I had the exact same problem as you with the NTSC version but managed to get both tracks on the PAL Moth3r version with no obvious loss of quality.

Hmm...

Video file 4211 MB
AC-3 (2.0 surround) file 160 MB
AC-3 (1.0) file 80 MB

Total 4450MB

(Capacity of a single layer DVD-R = 4488MB)

So it might all fit on, I suppose it depends on the overhead added by multiplexing.

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Author: russs15
Time: 30-May-2006 6:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Moth3r

Originally posted by: russs15
I had the exact same problem as you with the NTSC version but managed to get both tracks on the PAL Moth3r version with no obvious loss of quality.

..........or by the use of DVD Shrink.

It was such a long time ago and I cannot remember the exact details!!

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Author: hairy_hen
Time: 31-May-2006 12:59 AM
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I downloaded the mono track. Thanks for putting it up, Moth3r!

Holy crap was it scratchy though . . . if that can be restored to a good sound I'll be very impressed, and eager to hear it.

It was very interesting, all the stuff that was different. Some parts of it sounded like the special edition mix, actually, which is interesting as I've heard the SE mix put some mono stuff back in that hadn't been there in stereo before. I noticed right away the volume of the music in the opening Star Destroyer shot was louder than the stereo mix, like the SE. I like it that way. I almost felt like I was hearing something from another time, knowing it was authentic '77 and the way almost everyone heard it in theatres back then. It was cool.

Author: Moth3r
Time: 1-Jun-2006 4:38 AM
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Originally posted by: hairy_hen
Holy crap was it scratchy though . . . if that can be restored to a good sound I'll be very impressed, and eager to hear it.

I don't know much about audio restoration, but I do know that the finished audio will have all the gaps patched, be richer in high frequency content, and most likely have some additional equalization and other processing applied just to get it to sound "right".

The guy doing the restoration knows his stuff. He used to do subcontract work for THX.

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Author: boris
Time: 1-Jun-2006 7:25 AM
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Mother, can you do a version timed to the PAL september DVD release later? oh please please please please please, I've never heard the theatrical mono track!

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make Lucas lose a lot of his money
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we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!

Author: Moth3r
Time: 1-Jun-2006 9:23 AM
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I don't want to speculate on what will happen in September.

The source for this audio capture was PAL, and suffered from the 4% pitch increase caused by PAL speedup. I am used to the correct pitch from watching my 1995 PAL VHS tapes (pitch corrected) and Dr Gonzo's DVDs. When I dug out this PAL recording I immediately noticed the pitch increase, and found it distracting. Personally I wouldn't choose to watch Star Wars this way.

Pitch correction attempts by Citizen, using PC audio editing software, apparently did not give good results. I have a lead on a method that might give better results, but have not tried it yet.

Playing it back at NTSC speed cancels out the speedup and restores the correct pitch. If - and I stress this is just speculation - the new PAL OOT DVDs are made from same masters as the French laserdiscs, then they will be a good starting point for making anamorphic NTSC DVDs. I can easily play NTSC format DVDs, as can most people who live in PAL countries. This would seem to be my preferred option at the moment.

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Author: boris
Time: 2-Jun-2006 8:53 AM
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If it's the same source will the pal release be authentically higher resolution then ntsc (or will it be interpolated ntsc -> pal)?

Author: INv8r_ZIM
Time: 2-Jun-2006 9:37 PM
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