I can't believe that you're saying that this project couldn't even come close to the GOUT using the scripts. All the scripts in the world can't replace detail that isn't there. And its been already mentioned but the GOUT suffers with so many things including the DVNR smearing, interlacing artefacts among others. Plus the GOUT was taken from a non anamorphic Laserdisc master while this will be a scan from an anamorphic print. A home scan just can't compete with a professionally done transfer which is why we are sticking to a DVD release only. Even though it will be scanned at a high resolution it would only look like an upscaled anamorphic DVD if we decided to do it as a HD release but the detail in the DVD version will still be greater than the GOUT could ever wish for.
And yes, we had been contacting transfer houses and they all said the same that they won't touch it or that they would want upwards of $10,000 to do it and also some sounded a bit dodgy, so there was no way we were going to take the chance of the prints being taken.
If the mods to the scanner don't work then it the end of this project. There is no way it could possibly done with a flatbed scanner.
adywan said:I can't believe that you're saying that this project couldn't even come close to the GOUT using the scripts. All the scripts in the world can't replace detail that isn't there. And its been already mentioned but the GOUT suffers with so many things including the DVNR smearing, interlacing artefacts among others. Plus the GOUT was taken from a non anamorphic Laserdisc master while this will be a scan from an anamorphic print. A home scan just can't compete with a professionally done transfer which is why we are sticking to a DVD release only. Even though it will be scanned at a high resolution it would only look like an upscaled anamorphic DVD if we decided to do it as a HD release but the detail in the DVD version will still be greater than the GOUT could ever wish for.
All things being equal- yeah, you're right, a 35mm print is certainly preferable to the GOUT. In theory. But the reality is that it's highly unlikely that a quality 35mm scan will reach fruition.
The GOUT is laden with flaws which I'm well aware of, but it was professionally transferred and I don't think that even today a civilian with a less-than-pristine 35mm print going to approach the results that they got back in '92. Not to mention that even if they did, it would only be 1/3 of the trilogy.
The work G-force and dark_jedi have been doing is quite impressive. No, the lost detail hasn't magically re-appeared, but if someone were someday to combine the '04 DVDs and/or the HD broadcasts with the OOT footage from G-force's project, it would be a pretty tough-to-beat approximation of OOT. A whole lot better than we're likely to get from Lucas, anyway.
I wish you luck, though.
Mielr:A whole lot better than we're likely to get from Lucas, anyway
Now that's just absurd. I'm sorry, but you're talking nonsense. Blind Lucas bashing achieves absolutely nothing. Yes, we all take a major issue with the odd colour tinting on previous releases, but the actually detail level of the image is as good as the format allows.
And the Theatrical versions will be released in a superior version. If you don't believe that, just wait and see.
Darth Venal said:Mielr:A whole lot better than we're likely to get from Lucas, anyway
Now that's just absurd. I'm sorry, but you're talking nonsense. Blind Lucas bashing achieves absolutely nothing. Yes, we all take a major issue with the odd colour tinting on previous releases, but the actually detail level of the image is as good as the format allows.
And the Theatrical versions will be released in a superior version. If you don't believe that, just wait and see.
Blind Lucas bashing? LOL! That's a riot. If you think THAT'S "Lucas bashing" then you haven't been around here more than a few minutes.
Are you aware of what site you're on? The site that was originally dedicated to a petition directed towards George Lucas to get a quality DVD release of the OOT- which still hasn't happened?
Or were you trying to be funny?
You could just project the film and record it with a 24P HD video camera. It might not be as good as a professional transfer, but it'll be distinctly better than DVD. Anyone have a really good quality camcorder?
Guys, as soon as GL dies, which could be any day....(have you seen his fatness???), within a year of this occurrence, the OT WILL be released on DVD/BR to make another buck off of SWs
Its just good business practices with GL out of the way with his stubbornness
Until then, I still would like to see something come of this project
Moth3r said: No, there is no video embedding option in this forum software (thank god!)
CompMovieGuy said:Guys, as soon as GL dies, which could be any day....(have you seen his fatness???), within a year of this occurrence, the OT WILL be released on DVD/BR to make another buck off of SWs
Its just good business practices with GL out of the way with his stubbornness
Careful now, you wouldn't want to be accused of "Lucas bashing". ;-)
tom said:You could just project the film and record it with a 24P HD video camera. It might not be as good as a professional transfer, but it'll be distinctly better than DVD. Anyone have a really good quality camcorder?
That will look awful. People try to do that with Super8 movies. It works for something like that, when that film is literally the only copy you have, and they'll be lost if you don't do it.
And even with that being said, you'd get a better result by projecting at 30fps and then do the 3:2 pulldown from that.
That's really all a telecine is, it's just done with a projector specifically designed for that purpose. If we can find someone who's ridiculously rich who doesn't mind blowing the money on telecine equipment....now that would be something.
Here's an interesting link....http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/open-dv-discussion/236523-home-brewed-35-mm-motion-picture-film-scanner.html
I think it would be possible to do it one frame at a time, but it would take several years, and several volunteers working full time. The best thing to do would be use multiple prints, then compare them to remove dust and scratches.
121min @ 24fps = 174,240 frames.
That means we'll have to scan 174,240 frames. Then allign 174,240 frames. Remove scratches and dust from 174,240 frames.
That's no easy task.
adywan,
please check your pm
for an important update.
thanks
+1
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CompMovieGuy said:
Its just good business
I can make exceptions
next time send one of these twerps
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
negative1 said:adywan,
please check your pm
for an important update.
thanks
+1
edit: nevermind, saw your join date as Aug 26th, and automatically thought it said 2009, since that was today's date, and welcomed you to the forum lol
Welcome? -1 has been here for a lot longer than you have ...
And I'm ecstatic to hear that this project isn't dead. I'm looking forward to what happens with it from here on out with great interest ...
lol my mistake....saw August 26th, 2008, and thought I saw 2009.
woohoo! I found my old username (this is tearsintherain). I chose something weird, and couldn't remember it. When none of my usual choices didn't work I assumed it had been deleted. Now how do I delete the new one?
Anyway....I contacted four film labs with this idea. One responded. He seems interested, but hasn't given a yes or a no yet. I will update accordingly.
That being said...if the answer were yes, do we have access to a decent 35mm print?
-1 has the print. I'm shocked that a legit film lab would even consider touching this given the legal issues involved, but if it were to happen, that would be pretty awesome.
One of you guys needs to get a job at one of these transfer studios, work there for a while to build up some cred and do the transfer on a lunchbreak.
And you shouldn't have to pay some clown a shopping cart (or trolley for my pals across the pond) full of money to get it done right.
Just sayin'.
just to give you guys an idea..
when i first looked around the quotes were
anywhere from $2000 (sd transfer) to $8000 and up..
with most of the price being inbetween for all 6 reels->HD
of course, i didn't tell them it was for a commercial film..
no new car for me this year.. oh well, i have an old one
that works well!!!
be seeing you
+1
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That's actually not as bad as I thought.
We just need to find someone who's willing to do it (the hard part) and collect generous donations (the other hard part). Dust/scratches are the only thing I'm worried about. It would be best to have a second print, then combine them to get the best out of both. This would of course more than double the costs...but would also be better in the longrun.
I think once we do EpIV, people will be more willing to make donations for V & VI.
D0CT0R_W40 said:That's actually not as bad as I thought.
We just need to find someone who's willing to do it (the hard part) and collect generous donations (the other hard part). Dust/scratches are the only thing I'm worried about. It would be best to have a second print, then combine them to get the best out of both. This would of course more than double the costs...but would also be better in the longrun.
I think once we do EpIV, people will be more willing to make donations for V & VI.
Just set up a televangelist business and you will have plenty of money LOL
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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D0CT0R_W40 said:That's actually not as bad as I thought.
We just need to find someone who's willing to do it (the hard part) and collect generous donations (the other hard part). Dust/scratches are the only thing I'm worried about. It would be best to have a second print, then combine them to get the best out of both. This would of course more than double the costs...but would also be better in the longrun.
I think once we do EpIV, people will be more willing to make donations for V & VI.
In the end I'm sure we could find a lot of people toying with photoshop to clean up the biggest dust and scratches.
EyeShotFirst said:D0CT0R_W40 said:That's actually not as bad as I thought.
We just need to find someone who's willing to do it (the hard part) and collect generous donations (the other hard part). Dust/scratches are the only thing I'm worried about. It would be best to have a second print, then combine them to get the best out of both. This would of course more than double the costs...but would also be better in the longrun.
I think once we do EpIV, people will be more willing to make donations for V & VI.
Just set up a televangelist business and you will have plenty of money LOL
and god said let ther be STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
TMBTM said:In the end I'm sure we could find a lot of people toying with photoshop to clean up the biggest dust and scratches.
*cough*
Yes?
-Angel
D0CT0R_W40 said:That's actually not as bad as I thought.
We just need to find someone who's willing to do it (the hard part) and collect generous donations (the other hard part). Dust/scratches are the only thing I'm worried about. It would be best to have a second print, then combine them to get the best out of both. This would of course more than double the costs...but would also be better in the longrun.
I think once we do EpIV, people will be more willing to make donations for V & VI.
umm, i have 2 prints already : 1 in english (6 reels), and a spanish print (5 reels, i'm missing one)... they're in decent shape, one was in pretty good shape, it just
had a red tint.. [ i also have all 6 reels of 'the empire strikes back' too..
but that can wait, since i like 'star wars' better]...
what donations? i'm funding it..
be seeing you
+1
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you'd be willing to pay for all of it yourself out of pocket?
That's awesome. I just assumed it would be so expensive that we'd all have to pitch in, which I'd be happy to do.
Lets say this take a year of hard work and money for the ones involved. And than Lucas relases the Blu-ray in 2011 including the unaltered trilogy. It is possible after all, however, not likely in my opinon.
I guess my point being if this project is ever to see the light of day it should be done fast.
Also, if this, somehow, would be scanned in HD. Then it really puts Lucas in a position that he has to release the orginal on Blu-ray. I mean what a dissaster and an ambarrassament for him, if a fan project turned up in that (presumable)great quality
