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Bingowings said:

I have no idea how the Mary Sue archetype can be remotely be described as sexist (it hasn’t been used to hold down generations of women if anything isolating the trope enhances female characters in Fiction) but even if it is it has nothing to do with the thread title so perhaps we should stop going on about it or open up a thread in off topic.

Perhaps you shouldn’t have made your point and then suggest we not discuss it here in the same post?

Also, read the article I linked to if you need help understanding. Or any of the numerous other similar articles.

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http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/EP7-Spoilers-Why-I-dont-think-Rey-is-a-Merry-Sue/id/47543

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Bingowings said:

Okay after hearing Ben’s ‘nostalgia for Weimar’ we were led to believe that before the Empire the world was a better place and the Empire just ruined it all.
But if ESB told us one thing it’s Ben is not a reliable narrator.

Actually, it was ROTJ that told us that Ben is an unreliable narrator…

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What do you mean? It was ESB when we found out that Vader was Luke’s father, meaning Ben was lying to him in Star Wars.

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Dek Rollins said:

What do you mean? It was ESB when we found out that Vader was Luke’s father, meaning Ben was lying to him in Star Wars.

ESB could have meant many things…not [i] necessarily [/i] that Vader used to be the elder Skywalker. An alternate scenario is that booth Vader and Ben could have still been telling the truth (as far as they knew), but difference being that Ben was mistaken about who Luke’s biological father was.*

*a scenario which would also explain why neither he nor Yoda warned Luke about what Vader might claim, and the Emperor going along with Vader’s plan (i.e. the Emperor mistakenly thought Luke was Annikin’s son as well).

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What?!?! I have no idea what you mean by all that. If Vader wasn’t “the elder Skywalker”, then how could he be Luke’s dad? If Ben didn’t know Vader was Luke’s dad, who was this other lightsaber wielding good friend that he assumed was his dad, and why didn’t he know who his dad was in the first place? Whoever thought of this convoluted idea is thinking too hard.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Dek Rollins said:

What?!?! I have no idea what you mean by all that. If Vader wasn’t “the elder Skywalker”, then how could he be Luke’s dad? If Ben didn’t know Vader was Luke’s dad, who was this other lightsaber wielding good friend that he assumed was his dad, and why didn’t he know who his dad was in the first place? Whoever thought of this convoluted idea is thinking too hard.

The idea is that Skywalker’s lover (Luke’s mother) had an affair with Vader that Ben never knew about, leaving him to assume that clearly this child is a Skywalker, when Luke was actually a Vader.

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Thank you, that makes a lot more sense than your previous post.

EDIT: I meant ToscheStation’s last post.😃

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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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flametitan said:

Dek Rollins said:

What?!?! I have no idea what you mean by all that. If Vader wasn’t “the elder Skywalker”, then how could he be Luke’s dad? If Ben didn’t know Vader was Luke’s dad, who was this other lightsaber wielding good friend that he assumed was his dad, and why didn’t he know who his dad was in the first place? Whoever thought of this convoluted idea is thinking too hard.

The idea is that Skywalker’s lover (Luke’s mother) had an affair with Vader that Ben never knew about, leaving him to assume that clearly this child is a Skywalker, when Luke was actually a Vader.

Thank you.