Laserdisc players - screenshot comparison — Page 3

Moth3r said:

Is that using the X9's comb filter and the s-video output, or the composite output and the comb filter inside the Intensity Extreme?

Either way, it's a good result - there is no dot crawl between the colours on the colour bars, and no rainbowing on the moiré pattern (apart from at the glitch/linedrop about 3/4 of the way down).

That one was using the Crystalio comb filter. The rainbowing is insane using the composite output.

Okay, here are the same test patterns from the X9 composite to a DMR-ES10 then output via SVideo (Y/C) to the Blackmagic Intensity.

Oh, and there is no pluge on the colour bar test pattern.

My DMR-ES10 is atrocious at capturing (or passing through) fine detail from a composite input (image). I wonder if that's just an issue with PAL sources? I'll have to try feeding it an NTSC disc.

Moth3r said:

My DMR-ES10 is atrocious at capturing (or passing through) fine detail from a composite input (image). I wonder if that's just an issue with PAL sources? I'll have to try feeding it an NTSC disc.

Yes, it seems to be just an issue with PAL sources.

Look at my (NTSC) results here: http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?p=33347#p33347

Moth3r said:

My DMR-ES10 is atrocious at capturing (or passing through) fine detail from a composite input (image). I wonder if that's just an issue with PAL sources? I'll have to try feeding it an NTSC disc.

I have the PAL Pioneer test disc as well, I'll feed the same test patterns through the DMR-ES10 from a 2850 player and see how they compare.

Wish I had the same disc you are pulling your test pattern from so we could do a direct comparison.

Testing the DMR-ES10 as a comb filter with the very tough AVIA test patterns.

I used a momitsu DVD player directly via Svideo out to the DMI:

AVIA Moving test pattern:

Same pattern from the DVD player via composite through the ES10 and output from the ES10 via SVideo (Y/C) to the BMI.

Other useful test patterns on the AVIA disc (all via the ES10)

AVIA delay:

The test disc for those not familiar with it:

More images to show the poor horizontal resolution on the DMR-ES10's PAL captures. This is the PAL DVE played through composite:

Notice the 5.75 and 4.43Mhz grids are totally flat (blurred). Here is the same pattern, same player except using the s-video output:

poita, is your ES10 a PAL version? If so do you see the same issue or is it just mine?  

Woah, that is shocking.

My E10 is indeed a PAL model, specifically for Aus/NZ. I'll try the PAL DVE through it tonight. I know some Pioneer models have truly excellent comb filters, such as the LX70D, give one of those a try if you can find one.

Here is the PAL DVE test via my DMR-ES10 feeding the composite output of my momitsu DVD player into the composite input of the ES10, and taking the SVideo out from the ES10 into the Blackmagic Intensity card.

It doesn't seem to be having the same problem as yours, but the rainbows are always there even when the pattern is stationary.

I accidentally had the player set to 4:3 letterbox mode, the next post has the capture after I switched the player to 16:9.

Also interesting, I originally had the player set to NTSC mode as well, even though it was a PAL disc, I captured the test pattern with the PAL disc playing in NTSC mode from the player into the ES10 also in NTSC mode, and it worked better, oddly. Less dot crawl etc.

Capturing using 16:9 anamorphic and resizing the width to 1024 to match your screenshots, mine looks like this:

Yours looks like this:

Very interesting. I wonder if it's a fault with my ES10, or if the Region 2 model is different from the Region 4, or if there's something else different in our processes (did you use the front AV input, for example?)

It is the same no matter if I use the front or rear input.

Panasonic EU has a firmware upgrade disc available if you email them they will send it out. It may help?

Here is the same PAL test pattern via composite video into a Crystalio II video processor, output from that via HDMI to the Blackmagic Intensity.

The wierdest thing is that if I put the PAL disc in, but set the DVD player to output NTSC and the ES10 to output NTSC, the comb filter does a far better job!?!

Here is the PAL test pattern via a Pioneer DVR-550 DVD recorder.

It does the best job so far I think, for PAL anyway.

poita said:

Just for fun, here are three captures from the same JSC disc all using the same player, a HLD-X9.

Has someone transferred the Special Collection set on a really high end player such as the X9 yet?

It's the best source of the original versions without the DVNR smearing on the THX master (and thus the unaltered dvd's).

I know the X0 project captured the Special Collection on the X0 and was hoping to merge it with the THX discs so they could remove all the DVNR and then restore any damage to the video image. 

I would think having a high quality rip of the JSC would be ideal if anyone wanted to use it for a future restoration project, or perhaps the merging technology the X0 team was utilizing will become more accessible on consumer equipment some day.

Please come to discuss comb filters in my new Comb Filter Testing thread!

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Comb-Filter-Testing/topic/15421/