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smpearce1981 said:

Anyhow, here’s a knitpick:

IMO the only part of the duel footage that needs a change is the establishing shot at 1:01 -

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As we no longer cut away, we no longer need an establishing shot.

I couldn’t help but feel that the slow panning, dark, wide shot is quite jarring especially when it’s so massively juxtaposed against the up-close, lightsaber lit, intimacy of the duel in peak flow as obi-wan lunges in the shot immediately before?

I think the duel would massively benefit from just cutting into another shot from the main choreography to keep the pace up.

I just don’t think that the overall environment is dramatic or ‘interesting’ enough that you would miss an unnecessary ‘eye candy’ shot that now would only exist to depict a sense of scale?

If the location had been really visually interesting or it’s features relevant to the progression of the battle, maybe it could be justified but such as it is, with no cutting back and forth between plot points/locations, it’s inclusion is now just superfluous and quite disruptive to the flow of the duel?

Anyhow, that was my only observation/feedback from your amazing work here. 😃

Personally I think the establishing shot is awesome. For me it serves precisely to help the duel feel more huge in scale, since as you said, the location is pretty pour and this should be a huge match. But, of course, this is just my interpretation of the scene itself.

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“A break does wonders to the will to edit”.

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You guys have had a lot of interesting feedback, so instead of quoting 20 different posts and using my time on that instead of the edit, I’ll just tackle it in a general sense as I still have a lot of editing to do (if i forget to answer something please just ask me/tell me again):

Will there be grain added to the film?

Yes, I will add a slight, slight grain. Nothing overbearing. It is a good idea, and It will help bridge the Prequels -> Kenobi -> and then the OT. A good idea by @CMMAP.

What about the Piano Theme?

You guys really don’t make it easy for me, haha. Some people really like that theme, and some find it too sad. As a matter of fact, we removed it from the Village Scene with Vader & Kenobi because of the sadness in it. Most people wanted that scene to be haunting and horrifying, which the original did quite well. We therefore decided to keep it that way (although with brief glimpses of Sith Whispers and Anakin’s Betrayal).

However, as the Piano Theme - imo - has this sense of closure to Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship; with one coming to terms with their past (Obi-Wan) and one left in darkness, I think sadness is the most perfect theme there is for that ending. Why? Well, Darth Vader, or Anakin if you will, has been haunting, horryfing, powerful and ruthless throughout the entire film, so having watched the edit in its full capacity I find it outmost fitting for this theme to play now. It paints Anakin’s newfound powers and “strength” (anger from sadness you ask me) in a whole new light as we see Obi-Wan coming to terms with his past and his old friend; letting it all go for a greater purpose. He does not have the strength or courage to sustain any more lethal damage to Anakin because he has now seen with his own eyes what his past errors turned Anakin into, and having now done everything in his power to save his old friend and apologize for his mistakes, he has overcome his grief and trauma. It is sad, but powerful - two things I feel that this ending melody truly gives way for.

A little sadness does not ruin the moment for me at all, it enchances it. It is truly hard to go for or against since people are once again a little bit split, but seeing as how we sacrificed it from the Village Sequence and it now serving a greater purpose to the overarching pace and tone of the film format; I will have a hard time being persuaded to remove it once again.

As always, give me your thoughts.

Will Qui-Gon interfere in the duel?

I did look into adding a faded Qui-Gon ghost BEHIND Darth Vader, but it looked off and tonally broke with the scene at once. It just becomes too fanedit-y for my taste.

Then I added the line with a slight reverb “He is the chosen one” from Qui-Gon Jinn right after Obi-Wan says “Then my friend is truly dead”. This worked a lot better, but it still broke the presence of these two old friends reminiscing over their broken friendship and past. It’s one of those moments that sound rewarding up until you put it in the film. It just takes you out of the moment and makes you go “Qui-Gon?!?!?” instead of focusing on what the ENTIRE FILM HAS BEEN ABOUT (overcoming the past - grief and trauma - love and hate!).

So no, I don’t think I will keep the line. Sorry.

@NellsRello asked if The Piano Theme (Imperial Piano) would interfere with The Imperial March later on at Vader’s castle?

Answer is no, because this scene comes a lot later now in the film. As scene in preview clip 3 of the duel, we go to Alderaan post-duel.

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

Thank you

Once again, thank you all for your ideas and feedback, crafting the edit into something better for each passing moment. I read every post. I hate to shut down good ideas or constructive feedback (like those who are more on the fence of the Piano Theme at the end) but as a faneditor of THIS peticular edit I will just have to go with my gut sometimes. I hope and believe that when you watch the film version the Piano Theme will hit you. To me, it signals the end of Obi-Wan’s broken past and with it his broken heart, and leaves Darth Vader in his own misery with Obi-Wan raising above his.

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Oh, and yes, the establishing shot in the duel will remain for two reasons;

  1. The most important of which is because the duel goes from standing in a wide space without surrounding rocks, and the establishing shot helps with the passage of time to them now fighting in the midsts of them.
  2. It gives a great sense of scale (and epicness, you ask me).

Oh, and another Jedit:

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

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Hi Anjohan. Your edit sounds EPIC!!! I can´t wait to watch it.

For me, just “Obi-Wan Kenobi”. Shorter and to the point. With nothing else to distract from what it is really about. Personally I prefer to always keep the original titles.

Greetings from Lima, Peru.

Chris

Give me Star wars or give me death.

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Very interesting suggestion in the last page by Nells talking about moving Obi-Wan meeting Luke to before he even leaves rather than leave it being one of the last scenes in the show. For starters, it would ease continuity since now Owen goes from not trusting Ben at the start of the show, to trusting him, to not trusting him by the original film. Why is that?

But it might be tonally jarring to have uplift Ben that early on. Something to think about, though.

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Thank you for all your work, Anhojan. Take as much time as you need in polishing this edit.

I don’t question why Obi-Wan left Vader to die on Mustafar since (thanks to this series) Obi-Wan thought Vader died there anyway. As for in the moment of the duel, chopping off your “brother’s” limbs & watch him get set on fire has got to be pretty traumatic, even for a Jedi Master like Obi-Wan, so I don’t blame him for not wanting to do the deed then & there, much less risking smoke inhalation from the planet.

With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

I think you can include Qui-Gon’s line about Anakin being the Chosen One if you remove Obi-Wan’s line about Anakin being truly dead. Obi-Wan saying “Goodbye, Darth,” will suffice.

Also, I second “Kenobi: A Star Wars Story.”

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Re names, my edit is planned to be two parts, part 1 is A Princess in Peril and part 2 is going to be The Children of the Jedi.

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Anjohan said:

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

The problem is, I’m not sure how you COULD fix this. Because yes I am in the camp that it simply does not make sense Obi-Wan would let him live again because that means he’s deferring to having Luke do it when he’s older. Why would he pressure Luke to kill Vader later on if he had the chance to do it TWICE? Once in RotS is understandable, I think he genuinely thought he was going to die there on Mustafar. But here it just makes him look moronic at best and downright irresponsible at worst.

But again, I don’t think there’s a way to edit that to make it make sense. A problem with these new shows is that unlike movies (usually, looking at you TROS…) there’s generally no deleted scenes released for them, so even if they filmed a different version, we’ll never get to see it.

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Darth Raditz said:
With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

This is the problem of this series to begin with. How would one tell this kind of story given the frame from the OT? I can’t think of anything worthwile.
The „Obi-Wan inflicted enough pain to his former friend“ argument is one i can live with.

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Anjohan said:

What about the Piano Theme?.

If you feel so strongly about including it, „dew it“. It‘s your edit, we have to respect that.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

I vote Kenobi: A Star Wars Story.

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CMMAP said:

Darth Raditz said:
With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

This is the problem of this series to begin with. How would one tell this kind of story given the frame from the OT? I can’t think of anything worthwile.
The „Obi-Wan inflicted enough pain to his former friend“ argument is one i can live with.

I appreciated some of the things in the duel acting as foreshadowing for their duel in ANH; Vader sarcastically calling Obi-Wan “master,” Obi-Wan calling Vader “Darth,” and the scene where Vader tells Kenobi that he killed Anakin himself all really worked for me on principle. While I’ve accepted the idea that Mustafar was the last time they met for 15 years, there was definitely room for them to have had another encounter in the meantime.

If the circumstances of HOW they got there were better, this show would have been a welcome addition to my canon for the story. As is, I’d rather it not even have been made.

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Anjohan said:

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

Kenobi: A Star Wars Story

Agreed. “A Star Wars Story” to imply it’s an official movie and “Kenobi” to help show it is a shortened version of the show.

The Skywalker Saga:
I / II / III / IV / V / VI / VII / VIII / IX
This is the way.

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I salute you on your efforts, thanks for the update post! Can’t wait to see the finished product.

I am in full support of everything in your latest update.

Anjohan said:

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

This is the last thing that does bug me a bit. Here’s my suggestion… Save the end of Obi-Wan & Anakin’s fight from “AotC” for the end of the final fight between Obi-Wan & Vader in Episode 6. Instead of Obi-Wan saying “Then my friend is truly dead,” (this is the line that confuses me, because if that statement were true, then why would you not kill him here to protect Luke and Leia?) and instead have Obi-Wan complete his reflection on their duel as student & master. This way it comes across as trying to teach Vader the lesson he tried to teach Anakin long ago instead of a strange contradiction of his words and actions, and it brings a conclusion to the flashbacks we saw in the Episode 5 content. To compliment this change, also change the end of the Episode 3 duel by having Vader say his “The years have made you weak” line as Obi-Wan is rescued by the robot, further showing that Vader didn’t want to fight a weakling Obi-Wan.

Now, at the end of the series with these changes, Vader & Obi-Wan’s relationship has developed into something more complicated & co-dependent. Vader won’t kill Ben because he wants to fight him at his best, & Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

“Kenobi”

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Acbagel said:

I salute you on your efforts, thanks for the update post! Can’t wait to see the finished product.

I am in full support of everything in your latest update.

Anjohan said:

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

This is the last thing that does bug me a bit. Here’s my suggestion… Save the end of Obi-Wan & Anakin’s fight from “AotC” for the end of the final fight between Obi-Wan & Vader in Episode 6. Instead of Obi-Wan saying “Then my friend is truly dead,” (this is the line that confuses me, because if that statement were true, then why would you not kill him here to protect Luke and Leia?) and instead have Obi-Wan complete his reflection on their duel as student & master. This way it comes across as trying to teach Vader the lesson he tried to teach Anakin long ago instead of a strange contradiction of his words and actions, and it brings a conclusion to the flashbacks we saw in the Episode 5 content. To compliment this change, also change the end of the Episode 3 duel by having Vader say his “The years have made you weak” line as Obi-Wan is rescued by the robot, further showing that Vader didn’t want to fight a weakling Obi-Wan.

Now, at the end of the series with these changes, Vader & Obi-Wan’s relationship has developed into something more complicated & co-dependent. Vader won’t kill Ben because he wants to fight him at his best, & Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

“Kenobi”

Agree with Kenobi … never knew why they went full name since he has had two.

I would rather no flashbacks, but really do like the idea of the lesson being taught which explains why Obi leaves vader alive. (Though I do love the “Goodbye Darth” line)

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everything is looking great here… I was just curious if anyone else didnt like the obi wan flying rocks part?.. just doesnt feel right to me somehow… a small nitpick but just curious

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Acbagel said:

Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

That still doesn’t work since he is adamant in Return of the Jedi that Luke must strike his father down, even going so far as to say when Luke says he can’t, “then the Emperor has already won.”

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Acbagel said:

Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

I see that lackluster writing is still being patched by fans with assumptions never sustained by anything in the actual show…
The only reason Ben doesn’t kill Vader is because Vader needs to be alive at this point of the lore. That’s the only reason. Anything else is only fan theories that the tvshow makers never thought about giving or implying any kind of explanation 👀

So long 🙌

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danieldubb said:

everything is looking great here… I was just curious if anyone else didnt like the obi wan flying rocks part?.. just doesnt feel right to me somehow… a small nitpick but just curious

It looks ridiculous and ugly yeah. It’s like « Rey at the end of TLJ + Vader throwing some stuff at Luke in TESB ». It also is how new SW content creators see the Force: as a gimmick to make stones fly… (I still think Disney doesn’t understand anything about what Ryan Johnson was trying to warn them about 😬)

So long 🙌

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MalaStrana#2 said:

danieldubb said:

everything is looking great here… I was just curious if anyone else didnt like the obi wan flying rocks part?.. just doesnt feel right to me somehow… a small nitpick but just curious

It looks ridiculous and ugly yeah. It’s like « Rey at the end of TLJ + Vader throwing some stuff at Luke in TESB ». It also is how new SW content creators see the Force: as a gimmick to make stones fly… (I still think Disney doesn’t understand anything about what Ryan Johnson was trying to warn them about 😬)

Bro, the climax of TLJ was literally Rey floating rocks to save everyone. Every time I see people sing that film’s praises for “breaking the status quo,” or something, I have to ask if we saw two completely different movies because TLJ went back on virtually every single point it made from the beginning by the end.

But I do agree, all Disney knows how to do is have Jedi lift rocks and throw them. That’s Obi-Wan’s ultimate power move lol

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Another reason it should just be titled “Kenobi” is because he is already using the name Ben.

The Skywalker Saga:
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Kenobi: A Star Wars Story it is. Thanks, guys.

Rebel Scummm said:

Hi Anjohan. Your edit sounds EPIC!!! I can´t wait to watch it.

For me, just “Obi-Wan Kenobi”. Shorter and to the point. With nothing else to distract from what it is really about. Personally I prefer to always keep the original titles.

Greetings from Lima, Peru.

Chris

Thank you, Rebel Scumm. Appreciated!

Since most people voted for A Star Wars Story, I went with that. Thank you for your input nevertheless!

Omni said:

Very interesting suggestion in the last page by Nells talking about moving Obi-Wan meeting Luke to before he even leaves rather than leave it being one of the last scenes in the show. For starters, it would ease continuity since now Owen goes from not trusting Ben at the start of the show, to trusting him, to not trusting him by the original film. Why is that?

But it might be tonally jarring to have uplift Ben that early on. Something to think about, though.

Exactly. You nailed it in the very last sentence of your post. Way too upbeat next to the overall grim face of Kenobi in the opening sections of the film. Great idea, but the tone would suffer for sure.

Darth Raditz said:

Thank you for all your work, Anhojan. Take as much time as you need in polishing this edit.

Thank you for that, Raditz. Greatly appreciated.

I don’t question why Obi-Wan left Vader to die on Mustafar since (thanks to this series) Obi-Wan thought Vader died there anyway. As for in the moment of the duel, chopping off your “brother’s” limbs & watch him get set on fire has got to be pretty traumatic, even for a Jedi Master like Obi-Wan, so I don’t blame him for not wanting to do the deed then & there, much less risking smoke inhalation from the planet.

With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

I think you can include Qui-Gon’s line about Anakin being the Chosen One if you remove Obi-Wan’s line about Anakin being truly dead. Obi-Wan saying “Goodbye, Darth,” will suffice.

Also, I second “Kenobi: A Star Wars Story.”

This is a great point, shared by you and countless others. Your suggestion (along with a few others) is a good one, and I will simply address the issue by removing the line “Then my friend is truly dead” (as suggested by others). Removing the line will help clarify that Obi-Wan still sees Anakin behind that mask, and that killing him is just not something he is capable of.

regularjoe said:

Re names, my edit is planned to be two parts, part 1 is A Princess in Peril and part 2 is going to be The Children of the Jedi.

I wish you good luck with your edit! Two-parter sounds interesting. I assume you’ll be using Episode 4 in your edit.

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Anjohan said:

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

The problem is, I’m not sure how you COULD fix this. Because yes I am in the camp that it simply does not make sense Obi-Wan would let him live again because that means he’s deferring to having Luke do it when he’s older. Why would he pressure Luke to kill Vader later on if he had the chance to do it TWICE? Once in RotS is understandable, I think he genuinely thought he was going to die there on Mustafar. But here it just makes him look moronic at best and downright irresponsible at worst.

But again, I don’t think there’s a way to edit that to make it make sense. A problem with these new shows is that unlike movies (usually, looking at you TROS…) there’s generally no deleted scenes released for them, so even if they filmed a different version, we’ll never get to see it.

Your argument stands really valid, and I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.

CMMAP said:

Darth Raditz said:
With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

This is the problem of this series to begin with. How would one tell this kind of story given the frame from the OT? I can’t think of anything worthwile.
The „Obi-Wan inflicted enough pain to his former friend“ argument is one i can live with.

True and true. They have wandered into sketchy territory, and although i really like Leia and Obi-Wan’s relationship, it does create a few questions upon watching A New Hope.

I hope the removal of Luke’s encounter with Reeva and the plot armour lines between Vader and Kenobi (as stated twice above in this post) will bring you closer to what you would perceive a more “canon” cut. Thank you for your feedback.

CMMAP said:

Anjohan said:

What about the Piano Theme?.

If you feel so strongly about including it, „dew it“. It‘s your edit, we have to respect that.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

I vote Kenobi: A Star Wars Story.

Kenobi: A Star Wars Story it is. Thanks as always, CMMAP. 😃 I am not totally determined to keep it as of yet - I will need until release to give it a second thought or two.

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CMMAP said:

Darth Raditz said:
With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

This is the problem of this series to begin with. How would one tell this kind of story given the frame from the OT? I can’t think of anything worthwile.
The „Obi-Wan inflicted enough pain to his former friend“ argument is one i can live with.

I appreciated some of the things in the duel acting as foreshadowing for their duel in ANH; Vader sarcastically calling Obi-Wan “master,” Obi-Wan calling Vader “Darth,” and the scene where Vader tells Kenobi that he killed Anakin himself all really worked for me on principle. While I’ve accepted the idea that Mustafar was the last time they met for 15 years, there was definitely room for them to have had another encounter in the meantime.

If the circumstances of HOW they got there were better, this show would have been a welcome addition to my canon for the story. As is, I’d rather it not even have been made.

I hope this edit brings it closer to your canon.

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Anjohan said:

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

Kenobi: A Star Wars Story

Agreed. “A Star Wars Story” to imply it’s an official movie and “Kenobi” to help show it is a shortened version of the show.

Done.

Acbagel said:

I salute you on your efforts, thanks for the update post! Can’t wait to see the finished product.

I am in full support of everything in your latest update.

Anjohan said:

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

This is the last thing that does bug me a bit. Here’s my suggestion… Save the end of Obi-Wan & Anakin’s fight from “AotC” for the end of the final fight between Obi-Wan & Vader in Episode 6. Instead of Obi-Wan saying “Then my friend is truly dead,” (this is the line that confuses me, because if that statement were true, then why would you not kill him here to protect Luke and Leia?) and instead have Obi-Wan complete his reflection on their duel as student & master. This way it comes across as trying to teach Vader the lesson he tried to teach Anakin long ago instead of a strange contradiction of his words and actions, and it brings a conclusion to the flashbacks we saw in the Episode 5 content. To compliment this change, also change the end of the Episode 3 duel by having Vader say his “The years have made you weak” line as Obi-Wan is rescued by the robot, further showing that Vader didn’t want to fight a weakling Obi-Wan.

Now, at the end of the series with these changes, Vader & Obi-Wan’s relationship has developed into something more complicated & co-dependent. Vader won’t kill Ben because he wants to fight him at his best, & Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

“Kenobi”

Wow. That idea could really work. My only concern is that the “20 minute” or so gap between the previous flashback and then the climax of it might be a tad too long. Let me give it a thought. I could definitely see the emotional value in doing that. I just fear the time passed since the “flashbacks” were truly relevant might make it feel a little bit abrupt after the duel. Hmm!

Either way, the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will go away either way, as most people have a problem with the execution of the ending dialogue between them - and I totally see why, although it was not an issue for me.

danieldubb said:

everything is looking great here… I was just curious if anyone else didnt like the obi wan flying rocks part?.. just doesnt feel right to me somehow… a small nitpick but just curious

I’ll keep it. The emotional value of seeing Obi-Wan buttkick Anakin’s arse after one hour straight of tormenting Obi-Wan is just too sweet to remove. I’d argue with anyone that we shouldn’t even give the Sequel Trilogy a THOUGHT about it being mirrored or “done before”. The sequels did so little right that when new content comes along and actually do do it right, then we should keep it. Here it is done right imo.

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Acbagel said:

Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

That still doesn’t work since he is adamant in Return of the Jedi that Luke must strike his father down, even going so far as to say when Luke says he can’t, “then the Emperor has already won.”

Perhaps because Ben never intended for Luke to defeat Vader? At the end of Kenobi he literally tells Owen that the faith of the boy is in Owen’s hands, and that he was right to protect the boy from the broader picture. It seems to be faith that brings Ben and Luke back together - evident by how shocked and surprised and ill-prepared Ben is when faced with questions about “my father”.

MalaStrana#2 said:

Acbagel said:

Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

I see that lackluster writing is still being patched by fans with assumptions never sustained by anything in the actual show…
The only reason Ben doesn’t kill Vader is because Vader needs to be alive at this point of the lore. That’s the only reason. Anything else is only fan theories that the tvshow makers never thought about giving or implying any kind of explanation 👀

Totally agree with you. I won’t derail this thread any further with hatred for the money-hungry Disney and their complete lack of vision and planning - and stating points about how badly executed Disney Star Wars has been as far as the new trilogy is concerned is like beating a dead horse at this point. The fans shouldn’t be tasked by almost always having to force things to make sense - it is, unfortunfately, bad writing. It is. But! It creates great passion and discussions for something we all love; Star Wars. 😃

DZ-330 said:

Another reason it should just be titled “Kenobi” is because he is already using the name Ben.

Interesting take. I like it.

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Also:

I completely forgot to mention that I removed Leia leaving Obi-Wan in a panic in EP 2. Lol. This change I did way back. I hated how she, ten years of age and TOTALLY alone and in great danger, leaves the ONLY man even remotely capable of protecting her - whether she trusts him or not.

They simply climb to the rooftoops because they are on the run, and then when Obi-Wan is being shot at, THEN Leia panics and starts screaming “Ben! Ben!” and runs to the edge of the roof.

So the scene go something like:

Reeva contact Bounty Hunters / puts out bounty -> Obi-Wan sees they are being targeted -> They are on the run, Bounty Hunters are looking for him -> They run into alleyway, Obi-Wan slap the dude down -> Inquisitors arrive and confront Reeva -> Leia climbs up a ladder to the rooftoops, Obi-Wan is seen running up there already -> Inquisitor “Whispery-Voice” Guy marches through the streets -> Leia and Obi-Wan continues to run on the roof, and then Bounty Hunter starts to shoot -> and then some alterations to the overall pacing and tone of that scene. It doesn’t go on for way too long, and it focuses on Obi-Wan and Leia.

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Anjohan said:
Perhaps because Ben never intended for Luke to defeat Vader? At the end of Kenobi he literally tells Owen that the faith of the boy is in Owen’s hands, and that he was right to protect the boy from the broader picture. It seems to be faith that brings Ben and Luke back together - evident by how shocked and surprised and ill-prepared Ben is when faced with questions about “my father”.

That’s a possible explanation for it, I suppose, though it feels a little flimsy. He still seems to want to train Luke really bad in ANH and I can’t imagine he wouldn’t guess that he would have to face his father sometime.

But it’s better than nothing I guess so I’m not completely opposed. I’m definitely looking forward to seeing how you handle stuff and if you can redeem it for me.

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Acbagel said:

This is the last thing that does bug me a bit. Here’s my suggestion… Save the end of Obi-Wan & Anakin’s fight from “AotC” for the end of the final fight between Obi-Wan & Vader in Episode 6. Instead of Obi-Wan saying “Then my friend is truly dead,” (this is the line that confuses me, because if that statement were true, then why would you not kill him here to protect Luke and Leia?) and instead have Obi-Wan complete his reflection on their duel as student & master. This way it comes across as trying to teach Vader the lesson he tried to teach Anakin long ago instead of a strange contradiction of his words and actions, and it brings a conclusion to the flashbacks we saw in the Episode 5 content. To compliment this change, also change the end of the Episode 3 duel by having Vader say his “The years have made you weak” line as Obi-Wan is rescued by the robot, further showing that Vader didn’t want to fight a weakling Obi-Wan.

Now, at the end of the series with these changes, Vader & Obi-Wan’s relationship has developed into something more complicated & co-dependent. Vader won’t kill Ben because he wants to fight him at his best, & Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

Hmm, now where have I seen that before…

Darth Raditz said:

Delete Ben saying “then my friend is truly dead,” & replace it with the end of Ben & Anakin’s duel from “AotC” where Obi-Wan is trying to impart a lesson. While Ben still disappointingly says “Good bye, Darth” to distance himself, deep down he still thinks Anakin is in there. This plays very well with the way the edit is currently is, with Vader refusing to kill Ben in Part III because “the years have made you weak,” & that’s unsatisfying for Vader.

So now, at the end of the edit, Vader & Ben’s relationship has developed into something more complicated & co-dependent. Vader won’t kill Ben because he wants to fight him at his best, & Ben won’t kill Vader because, whether or not he knows it, he still considers Vader his friend, & wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

Still, thanks for agreeing & expanding on my original assessment, Acbagel!

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Well said Sirius, I was thinking the same thing as I saw the scene.
I feel like, before Kenobi walks away from a defeated vader, we hear qui gon saying a few things like “he is the chosen one, he will bring balance.” I think it could be a huge deciding factor to spare anakin.

Aside from that. I think Reeva needs to be cut down from the show as much as possible. Such as the silly parkour scenes, the baby chase scene, and the “you’re a jedi, right? make me fly” scene in the first few episodes. The fact that he hides leia under the robe is also quite ridiculous.

Someone did a really good cut of the baby chase scene, where there was no chase at all. She asked the thug who he was and when he answered, as she was moving back the 2nd thug put the bag over her head. If you noticed, when they tied her up to the chair, she wasnt even tied to the chair itself, she could’ve just stood up and raised her arms to remove the ropes. I don’t know how this could be fixed in scene, unless you remove that scene entirely which would be better.