Info: a Smear-free '93 ? — Page 6

Asaki said:

Are you planning on doing the other two movies later? And which THX set are you doing, or do you mean THX 1138?

If I would it would only be Empire, I also have another SW unrelated project I plan to do first with SilverWook and yes I meant THX 1138.

Was it ever determined if the Technidisc pressed ESB and ROTJ were similar to the SW transfer?

captainsolo said:

Was it ever determined if the Technidisc pressed ESB and ROTJ were similar to the SW transfer?

About ESB, I know that the Special Collection (Japan) and SWE (Pioneer USA) is two different transfers of the same master, a master which is unfortunately very problematic in its colors and its many missing frames around reel changes and also in between them, my SWE copy (Pioneer USA) lacks more than hundred frames in total and I think the Special Collection is even worse. How the pressings of Pioneer Japan, Mitsubishi and Technidisc compare, especially in the colors is something I'm curious about. I have asked Aluminum Falcon to check his Mitsubishi copy for me and Darth Mallwalker said he would check his copies.

Some examples of the ugly hues in my Pioneer copy compared to the more natural hues seen in the '85 LD:

Pretty nasty hues... the '85 release isn't perfect either, it's often too yellow and green, but overall the original timing is pretty much there. The Special Collection and SWE release of Star Wars is also plagued by these unnatural hues in places, that's one of the reasons why the Technidisc pressing of the first film was so great and it didn't lack any frames, unfortunately it seems the other pressings of ESB are made from the same master but I have a tiny, tiny hope that they could have at least more stable colors.

"thingamajig" spreadsheet was sort of quantitative analysis.
Here's some qualitative

Pioneer,USA (PVI) vs./ Technidisc














PVI don't have the color bars, so I used the same capture settings for both.
Technidisc bars:

Thank you so much for going through the trouble D_M. The colors seems to be pretty much identical, the Technidisc seems to have a little less cyan in the highlights and the reds are a little less pink but just a minimal difference.

Taking a look at those screenshots AF posted of his Mitsubishi pressing again, you can see that the framing/cropping at least are identical to our pressings. I guess the SWE - Pioneer (Japan) is the only one left to investigate.

Just watched Jedi JSC X9 and the picture quality was atrocious would have to dig out the actual laserdiscs to see if it looks that bad before being converted to digital.  But even after all the de-haloing arnie'd did it still looks like poop.

Seriously i have never been happy with a single home video release of Jedi none have come close to the Cinema theatrical.  The only one color wise that looked close was the PAL release from 2006 and i live in the states so i was pretty screwed on not being able to acquire that.

Still non anamorphic though and still too soft an image.  But whatever they gave FOX of Japan for those later 8O's discs was from a crap source.

Loaned out less than pristine Elements like the Criterion James BOND collection?

skyjedi2005 said:

the PAL release from 2006 and i live in the states so i was pretty screwed on not being able to acquire that.

Was talking about the difference in colors between the versions sorry.  I meant the above posting by msycamore.  Was not responding the you or in a negative way.

What i meant was Japan Special Collection Colors versus the Technidisc.

When i first bought the JSC i thought it was close to being good color wise but at the time did not have a calibrated set up.

Was more of a post lamenting the fact that there is no decent version of any of these trilogy films on home video period that comes close to the original release.  And now that they have the tech to do it right to at least approximate the theatrical original release its not going to happen.

Guess i will just have to live with the blu ray or dream of what could have been.

Anyway back to your thread and again apologies for posting in it.  Bye.

Darth Mallwalker said:

PVI don't have the color bars, so I used the same capture settings for both.
Technidisc bars:

I've developed a spreadsheet too. Helps me work out parameters to feed into ColorYUV to get:

coloryuv(gain_y=5.60, off_u=-0.89, off_v=0.26, off_y=6.47, cont_u=2.11, cont_v=9.78, gamma_y=-74.85)

I'll share this method in the technical forum later.

So which SWE do I have?

capture is here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jv45ix82fo7cmaf/x9-es10-swe.mp4

poita said:

So which SWE do I have?

capture is here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jv45ix82fo7cmaf/x9-es10-swe.mp4

 That is the more common SWE release. Not the Technidisc pressing.

Damn, so I have another set of discs to buy and capture.

If anyone knows of any for sale anywhere, please let me know. I don't want to purchase yet another copy of what I already have.

I intend to get a few if I can so I can median the captures.

Does only ANH suffer from the incredibly-shrinking-aspect-ratio issue in pre-Technidisc releases of the SWE LDs or does the entire trilogy?

Just ANH, the other two don't have the shrinking ratio issue.

schorman13 said:

Just ANH, the other two don't have the shrinking ratio issue.

Thanks!

SWE is smear free, yes.