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Info Wanted: are there any lossless masters of ld captures?

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has any release/capturer offered a lossless (ie NOT mpeg2) master that was used for the dvd release? im curious because i would like to see how much info/detail, etc gets lost in the mpeg2 process and am assuming the lossless masters arent that big. i know this could only be accomplished if they upped it to usenet and had a very fast upload speed.

“how could you even play this on your tv/projector, etc?”
i only care to play it on my pc, from hdd, w/ crt monitor.
“someone would have to upload for weeks for all the films for that kind of request”
yes, BUT this would save others who cant afford the ld sets and excellent ld player to obtain masters and make their own mpeg2 edits at a much lower price than just starting from scratch. i think a raw capture would help the most amount of ‘preservers’, so they could decide their own post-processing to do.

yur thoughts plz.

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In my experience, the difference between the lossless source after post-processing and the MPEG-2 compressed file is negligible.

The unprocessed captured AVIs are 60-80GB per film - and that's compressed with huffyuv. It'd theoretically take about 7 weeks of solid uploading for me to put these on a.b.sw, and no-one is prepared to do that (not to mention it will piss off the users of the group and probably the uploader's ISP as well).

Some people may offer to copy the files for the price of a hard drive plus shipping - if they still have them. My raw AVIs are now deleted, and I believe Cowclops has deleted his as well.

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I capture with a good analogue to DV device, but in the case of Star Wars I capture each side of the laserdisc 5 times then merge them together to reduce RF noise in the laserdisc player and connecting video cables (it definitely works) and save the merged DV files as huffyuv, but forced to YUY2 because the resulting files are notably smaller than RGB compression, I know it looses some quality but the source is DV anyway and I don't have the HD space for RGB compressed files.
A full 2 hour PAL film capture of ANH without the unnecessary top/bottom black bars compressed to huffyuv YUY2 takes up roughly 30gb, not really the kind of size you'd happily post to or download from usenet, it would ideally be distrubted on harddrive or failing that a pile of DVD-Rs.
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I paid quite a lot of money to buy the best LD player I could, plus multiple copies of just about every LD set known to man. Why should I render my expensive collection worthless by releasing an uncompressed version to anyone who asks, for free?
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so moth3r sees a negligible difference. citizen, what difference do you see, if any, of the huffyuv YUY2 files to a ~4mbps mpeg2 from that 'master'?
of course, no one should have to upload for several weeks, and 60+gb per movie is too much. however, as an example, about a month ago a 'release' was posted to a usenet group where the total size with 10% par2s (recovery files) was a little over 30gb. normally the releases in that group are 10-20gb, but the high bitrate and run time made it huge, but it went thru 100% complete for the people that did d/l it. btw, i am not directing this to you citizen, but to your method and similar ones.

karyudo, that is exactly the response i was looking for. i am sure you, and others, have paid immense sums for the collections you have, and would be concerned about rendering that investment moot. but i see it this way:
this sub-forum is about the preservation of the original trilogy. good. imho, that translates to 'those that have the time, money, knowledge, and experience to preserve the original trilogy'. not very many people fit into that category. now, many ppl can satisfy one of those requirements, and some might even fit two. obvious reality is that money and time are the hardest to obtain. the point is that true fans, who indeed want to ensure ppl from this generation and beyond can enjoy the o-ot, should be able to work together with others in the community to find solutions to make great preservations come about. as it stands, there are a few children who say 'i have everything to enjoy o-ot best way possible and you dont, so there'. however, as adults they could say 'well i have some sets, joe has the others, bill has a great player, bob knows alot about conversions with much experience, and jill has too much time on her hands. if we establish trust and work together, we can make an excellent offering to the community.' btw, this is not directed just to you karyudo, but to all who have been blessed with the money to afford such collections.

so if the community is blessed with something like this, would those with expensive collections suddenly have worthless junk? i dont think so. someone could show their collection of all the best transfers made and it wouldnt be/feel the same as someone who had the actual lds, or a top-knotch ld player, etc. however, both of those ppl would be able to enjoy the o-ot in a great way, not simply as one with a much superior experience versus a respectable but less superior experience.

so in essence we could succumb to the dark side and be greedy, or be with the force and share for the cause. i might get flamed for this, but hopefully some of you will understand what i am talking about.
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I understand where you're coming from. But I can also tell that you are one of those people who isn't going to spend the cash necessary to make a cap of his own, even if you have cash to spend on other things. You own an iPod? I don't; I've got a Pioneer CLD-D925. You get the latest Eminem CD? I bought a copy of Faces ANH. Like Starbucks in the morning? I save up my money for hard drives. I'm not made of money. Please don't assume that people who have made the choice to buy all the stuff in order to make a cap are the idle rich with money to burn.

I made a calculated business-style decision to buy an LD player (well, three) and a bunch of discs (about 8 or 9 -- sets, I mean) to make a transfer, and then get rid of my equipment and discs to someone a little more nuts about this stuff (and/or a little richer). Sure, I'm having fun doing it. That's most of the reward right there. But I'm not altruistic enough to make my capping efforts freely available to anyone before I can recoup some of my investment. Not only that, but why should the cap I'm taking time to do right end up in the hands of someone who will bang out a release before me, while I'm still figuring out how to improve the end result?

If that makes me one who has fallen "to the dark side and be[come] greedy," well, then I guess I'm guilty.

But I ask you, isn't the greedy one the one who is asking for stuff for free from people who have paid for it?
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Originally posted by: roweezy
so if the community is blessed with something like this, would those with expensive collections suddenly have worthless junk? i dont think so.

I do think so, there are a growing number of laserdiscs becoming near worthless in the 2nd hand market because of the bootlegging of laserdisc-to-DVD transfers being sold on eBay as "import" discs, import? yeah they're imported straight from your harddrive onto a printable DVD-R...
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Originally posted by: roweezy
the point is that true fans, who indeed want to ensure ppl from this generation and beyond can enjoy the o-ot, should be able to work together with others in the community to find solutions to make great preservations come about. as it stands, there are a few children who say 'i have everything to enjoy o-ot best way possible and you dont, so there'. however, as adults they could say 'well i have some sets, joe has the others, bill has a great player, bob knows alot about conversions with much experience, and jill has too much time on her hands.

That's a pretty good description of the X0 Project Team.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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very well, i shall consider the issue closed. and of course pray that the x0 project completes in my lifetime.
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"That's a pretty good description of the X0 Project Team."

I'm not Jill, BTW.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I'm not Jill, BTW.


Of course not. Jill is the fifth member of the hypothetical group; the X0 Project appears to have four members...

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She must have left before they became famous...

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