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Info Wanted: 70mm Film Cel Scans (good reference or pointless?)

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Over at http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/70mm_ref_cd.htm (a website dedicated to reconstructing SW costumes) they got a 70mm Film Cel Reference CD. (almost 100 scans) Now I guess from the down-sampled sample they provide, is there any way to prove that these are actual Cel scans? It would seem to be a good reference for the community to get access to. But maybe there is more accurate reference material already available. Also of interest is a disc (3.5gb) of images from the Magic of Myth and Art of SW exhibits.
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I'm tempted to buy one copy and set up a PiF chain fpr subsequent copies.

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Damn, those are the real deal! The sample is lower quality but it still looks abolsutely fabulous and you can't get a high quality frame like that any other way. I am very tempted to get this. The condition of them is also pretty good, although a few of the ANH shots have a pink or green hue to them that i don't believe is natural.
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These would appear to be scanned from the frames sold to collectors in lucite frames in the 90's. They were specially treated not to fade. The few frames I have from an actual projected print have gone very pink by comparision. It's curious there never seems to have been frames sold from any of the opening crawls.

Where were you in '77?

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I have over a hundred of those cels myself (from all 3 films). I've been collecting them since Willitts Designs put them out in 1995. You can still find plenty of them on eBay- no two are alike. They were made from 70mm interpositives. The SW ones are pretty plentiful, followed by ESB. They made far fewer of the ROTJ ones, and good scenes from that film are harder to find. I think they're one of the best Star Wars collectibles that have ever been made. I had to stop collecting them because I was starting to get a little nuts with them...LOL!

They're probably the best color reference you're going to find, as far as what the original films looked like.

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Those are great. Film is a beautiful thing. Sad that we can't simply watch the films as they really looked. Strangely, Jedi seems to look the "oldest" or the most pink.
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Has (or can) anyone posted any pics of these frames actual size? I am most curious how big an actual 70mm cell is compared to a 35mm or a 16 mm or even an 8? Some actual-sized scans would be interesting.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Has (or can) anyone posted any pics of these frames actual size? I am most curious how big an actual 70mm cell is compared to a 35mm or a 16 mm or even an 8? Some actual-sized scans would be interesting.

Huh? Aren't they as big as their name says they are? (plus a few extra mm to feed them thru the projector ofcourse)
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Has (or can) anyone posted any pics of these frames actual size? I am most curious how big an actual 70mm cell is compared to a 35mm or a 16 mm or even an 8? Some actual-sized scans would be interesting.
These are actual size. As you can see, they are about twice the width of a piece of 35mm film. This is from my collection of badly faded 70mm SW film strips. These cels are from a 1977 print - the Kodak codes next to the sprockets confirm it. The ones sold individually by Willitts Designs look much better, of course (I posted a bunch yesterday in the 'GOUT film grain' thread). I attemped to scan these cels with a flatbed scanner and a lightbox, but ended up with a lot of wierd lines/artifacts. BTW, I can't get the link in the first post to work anymore (?)


http://imgcash6.imageshack.us/Himg230/scaled.php?server=230&filename=celcollectiongi7.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480

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The link doesn't unfortunately work anymore, but you can try web.archive.org
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Yes the link in the first post is now dead. That site used to sell this CD, but there's no mention of it anywhere now. Maybe it got pulled after a C&D from LFL? (Anyone looking for the CD can PM Arnie.d about it.)

BTW, translation:
70mm = 2.75"
35mm = 1.38"
16mm = 0.63"
8mm = 0.31"

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Yeah, it's not really right to be selling a CD of scans considering they are taken from commercially sold merchandise. They ought to have just posted it for free as a website.
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
BTW, translation:
70mm = 2.75"
35mm = 1.38"
16mm = 0.63"
8mm = 0.31"

Thanks for the info !
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Sluggo
Has (or can) anyone posted any pics of these frames actual size? I am most curious how big an actual 70mm cell is compared to a 35mm or a 16 mm or even an 8? Some actual-sized scans would be interesting.
These are actual size. As you can see, they are about twice the width of a piece of 35mm film. This is from my collection of badly faded 70mm SW film strips. These cels are from a 1977 print - the Kodak codes next to the sprockets confirm it. The ones sold individually by Willitts Designs look much better, of course (I posted a bunch yesterday in the 'GOUT film grain' thread). I attemped to scan these cels with a flatbed scanner and a lightbox, but ended up with a lot of wierd lines/artifacts. BTW, I can't get the link in the first post to work anymore (?)


http://imgcash6.imageshack.us/Himg230/scaled.php?server=230&filename=celcollectiongi7.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480


Minus the (Dolby stereo baby boom) magnetic strips, down the outer and inner sides, of the sprocket holes.
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Originally posted by: JediTemple70mm
Originally posted by: Mielr
These are actual size. As you can see, they are about twice the width of a piece of 35mm film. This is from my collection of badly faded 70mm SW film strips. These cels are from a 1977 print - the Kodak codes next to the sprockets confirm it. The ones sold individually by Willitts Designs look much better, of course (I posted a bunch yesterday in the 'GOUT film grain' thread). I attemped to scan these cels with a flatbed scanner and a lightbox, but ended up with a lot of wierd lines/artifacts.


Minus the (Dolby stereo baby boom) magnetic strips, down the outer and inner sides, of the sprocket holes.
Yeah, why is it that the soundtrack isn't present on these strips?

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The Power of the Force collection of 1998 came with 'Freeze Frame Action Slides'.  Anyone care to speculate on their origin?

Pics here: http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2freezeframes.asp

 

[don't remember posting this in the Fan Edit section, post maybe so old it's using the old forum numbers.  Move please.]

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They are simply publicity shots re-purposed by Kenner. These photos turned up in Starlog and other publications back in the day.

Where were you in '77?

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The Power of the Force collection of 1998 came with 'Freeze Frame Action Slides'.  Anyone care to speculate on their origin?

Pics here: http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2freezeframes.asp

 

[don't remember posting this in the Fan Edit section, post maybe so old it's using the old forum numbers.  Move please.]

I have some of those, I tried scanning them with my epson 4490 which always does a great job and the slides looked pretty bad, nowhere near as nice as the actual film strips I've scanned.  I don't think the slides were very good quality.  I'll post examples of the scans when I get a chance, probably tomorrow.

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I doubt Kenner was concerned about them holding up to the scrutiny of being put in the family slide projector at the time. Perhaps they rephotographed what they had handy in their archive?

I'd bet those fake "collectible" 35mm film frames that sometimes get bundled with movies as a store exclusive don't look very good projected either.

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

I doubt Kenner was concerned about them holding up to the scrutiny of being put in the family slide projector at the time. Perhaps they rephotographed what they had handy in their archive?

That would be my guess.  Here's a couple of scans of the "freeze frame" slides, you can see that they're not very sharp and the colors are kind of wacky.  I also up put a scan of a similar scene I made from an actual film trailer for the se jedi so you can compare it with the slide.  Theoretically, had this been an actual slide, it should have looked much sharper and more detailed than the film print (at least that's how it works in still photography, slide film is tops).  That clearly isn't the case here though.

Stormies (freeze frame scan)

 

Leia (freeze frame scan)

 

Similar scene with Leia (actual film scan from SE trailer)

 

I scan at 4800 dpi so these images are massively shrunk down, if for any reason you want to see the full res images let me know and I'll post them.