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Which bad news is that?
That the transfer will suck or that it will blow?

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Let's try to keep the OUT DVD discussion in one of the other threads, eh? This was more or less a project thread last time I checked.





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Any news on this project? I can tell from those screenshots alone that it's looking good.
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this thread is absolutely retarded. laserdisc is obviously not dead, a lot of them go for big bucks on ebay. lots of titles not on dvd, or uncut versions of films/theatrical cuts.

since i do not own a high def television set, i still use laserdiscs and regular dvd. the audio on the laserdiscs i own blow the dvd versions clear put of the water.

for example the laserdisc dts versions of goldeneye, and tomorrow never dies blow the new dts tracks away. why is that? well the picture quality is not as good, but the laserdisc is at full bitrate not so for the dvd's.

laserdisc is still a very fine source for some films, until those favorites of mine appear on blu ray or hd-dvd, and the cost of a full rez 1080P television is affordable.

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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
for example the laserdisc dts versions of goldeneye, and tomorrow never dies blow the new dts tracks away. why is that? well the picture quality is not as good, but the laserdisc is at full bitrate not so for the dvd's.


Preservation opportunity then?

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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
this thread is absolutely retarded. laserdisc is obviously not dead, a lot of them go for big bucks on ebay. lots of titles not on dvd, or uncut versions of films/theatrical cuts.

since i do not own a high def television set, i still use laserdiscs and regular dvd. the audio on the laserdiscs i own blow the dvd versions clear put of the water.

for example the laserdisc dts versions of goldeneye, and tomorrow never dies blow the new dts tracks away. why is that? well the picture quality is not as good, but the laserdisc is at full bitrate not so for the dvd's.

laserdisc is still a very fine source for some films, until those favorites of mine appear on blu ray or hd-dvd, and the cost of a full rez 1080P television is affordable.


If you listen closely you can tell it isn't really about the bitrate, rather it is a totally different (and better) mix that was done for laserdisc without the concern for how it sounds downmixed. HEAT is another title where the mix is far better.
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I just wish the laserdisc database let you search by "not on dvd" or "with supplemental features not on the dvd." I just found a serious movie store that has a TON of laserdiscs and it would have been nice if I knew which titles were really valuable. I did not find "Song of the South," "E.T." (deleted scenes) and I have dvd transfers of THX 1138 and the Star Wars laserdisc extras. What about the Disney movies, have their dvd's ported over laserdisc extras or not. (I saw many of those)

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I know of one store that has a section for LDs not available on DVD.

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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
I did not find "Song of the South," "E.T." (deleted scenes)


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Originally posted by: PaulisDead2221
Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
for example the laserdisc dts versions of goldeneye, and tomorrow never dies blow the new dts tracks away. why is that? well the picture quality is not as good, but the laserdisc is at full bitrate not so for the dvd's.


Preservation opportunity then?



No way to rip DTS tracks.

Laserdisc is an analog medium.
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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
I just wish the laserdisc database let you search by "not on dvd" or "with supplemental features not on the dvd." I just found a serious movie store that has a TON of laserdiscs and it would have been nice if I knew which titles were really valuable. I did not find "Song of the South," "E.T." (deleted scenes) and I have dvd transfers of THX 1138 and the Star Wars laserdisc extras. What about the Disney movies, have their dvd's ported over laserdisc extras or not. (I saw many of those)


I'll be torrenting the E.T. documentary very soon.
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Originally posted by: PaulisDead2221
Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
for example the laserdisc dts versions of goldeneye, and tomorrow never dies blow the new dts tracks away. why is that? well the picture quality is not as good, but the laserdisc is at full bitrate not so for the dvd's.


Preservation opportunity then?



No way to rip DTS tracks.

Laserdisc is an analog medium.

Are you sure? What if you connect your optical output from you LD player to an optical input of a soundcard and capture it as raw wave?
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Although the video on laserdiscs is analogue, PCM, AC-3 and DTS are of course all digital audio formats. PCM audio is easy to rip. AC3 and DTS are a bit harder - but it is possible.

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Laserdisc video is analog but the audio is digital (tracks 1 and 2) and analog (tracks 3 and 4). The digital PCM soundtrack is stored the same as CD audio and comes out as analog through the red/white RCA cables or digital through the optical cable, same as a CD player. AC3 is stored differently as analog FM signal needing an AC3 RF output and a standalone demodulator, but I'm pretty sure once it gets through the demodulator, it's the same as DVD Dolby Digital (384 bitrate). DTS took the digital tracks' place and passes through optical and can be decoded by a DTS receiver same as DVD.
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Although the video on laserdiscs is analogue, PCM, AC-3 and DTS are of course all digital audio formats. PCM audio is easy to rip. AC3 and DTS are a bit harder - but it is possible.


Really. Do tell.

It's impossible to "rip" bit for bit a copy of a laserdisc.
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It's impossible to "rip" bit for bit a copy of a laserdisc.


Since the discussion is only about digital Laserdisc audio, no, it's not impossible. I've done it myself.

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Yeah people often get confused about Laserdisc audio and video.

Just for the record...

The video on Laserdisc is analogue composite video.

The audio can be analogue or Digital in either DTS 5.1 , PCM stereo or Dolby Digital 5.1, all of which can be ripped bit for bit as it is a true digital signal.

The audio often sounds better on laserdisc in 5.1 than on DVD on 5.1 because the 5.1 mixes for laserdisc were 'pure' 5.1 mixes.
That is they were designed to be played back through 5.1 equipment *only* and the mix was done accordingly, and was usually very close to the cinematic release. If you were dumb enough to play the Laserdisc 5.1 mix on stereo equipment (somehow) it may well sound like crap but that was to be expected.

For DVD being a 'mainstream consumer format' often the 5.1 mix is totally different to the laserdisc because studios were worried that people would select the 5.1 mix even if they had only stereo or mono through the TV speaker, and often a 5.1 mix when downmixed like that becomes muddled and the dialogue can be hard to hear etc.
So they decided to redo the 5.1 mix for a lot of DVD titles so that it would still sound OK if played back in Stereo or mono. This of course makes the 5.1 mix somewhat "crappier" (technical term).
So the DVD mix can sound thin and flat compared to the laserdisc version of the same movie if they have dumbed down the 5.1 for DVD, but on titles where they used the same mix as for the laserdisc, it sounds identical on both formats.

So you can take the DTS or DD track from laserdisc and mux it onto the DVD to get audio goodness that may otherwise have been lacking.
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Originally posted by: Laserman
So they decided to redo the 5.1 mix for a lot of DVD titles so that it would still sound OK if played back in Stereo or mono. This of course makes the 5.1 mix somewhat "crappier" (technical term).
So the DVD mix can sound thin and flat compared to the laserdisc version of the same movie if they have dumbed down the 5.1 for DVD, but on titles where they used the same mix as for the laserdisc, it sounds identical on both formats.

Some (quite a few actually) DVD movies have a 2.0 and a 5.1 mix. In that case can we expect the 5.1 mix to be better than when there is only a 5.1 mix?

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
It's impossible to "rip" bit for bit a copy of a laserdisc.


Since the discussion is only about digital Laserdisc audio, no, it's not impossible. I've done it myself.

DE


Again, do tell. How exactly is this possible?