Sound effects, dialog, these are things we need in order to "rescore" anything. If you're making another silent film version, that's all well and good, but what you really want to do is impossible unless we had access to the Lucas Archives.
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than lets hope they release more good stuff on the soundboards.
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:
than lets hope they release more good stuff on the soundboards.
The whole saga? That I very much doubt.
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There's only one thing to do.
We have to plan a daring raid on the Lucasfilm archives.
Or we could ask Super Shadow, since he knows Lucas personally and all, if he could use his influence to help out.
IMHO, having the Luke talk to Obi-Wan in his hovel scene might be more work than the payoff we're seeking by adding it.
We also have to consider the whole flow of the start of the movie when were doing this.
The last thing I want to do is try and reinvent the wheel on a fine movie and then have the other wheels come off. In other words, create more problems than I solve.
NEW VERSION WITH EFFECTS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8oUlmWwR0o
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
We aren't trying to reinvent the wheel (at least I'm not) and it isn't a fine movie it's Return Of The Jedi, a deeply flawed and disappointing movie in all it's current forms.
I wouldn't dream of radically altering the storyline of ANH or ESB, as far as I'm concerned (and I know there are people who don't agree with me on this) ROTJ is just as in need of a major overhaul as the PT (if not more so from my point of view because I have much more emotional investment in the OT characters than the PT versions).
It's not just the final act of a mostly flawed saga it's also a flawed final act of an almost perfect trilogy.
At least if we get this one to work there will be a version of the OT that doesn't leave a sour taste in my mouth when it comes to last film.
If the PT can be salvaged too so much the better.
Hi! I decided to stop lurking and join the discussion. I have read almost all of this thread (sad I know) and I would love to see some of these ideas become reality.
About the Ben/Luke conversation, someone suggested that it be cut altogether, and I think I have to agree. I don't mind Leia being a Skywalker - it's pretty much set in stone now, but it would be nice if Luke showed some of that famed Jedi insight and just knew that Leia was his sister.
So how about this: Luke training on Dagobah, Yoda dies, Luke being unsure, cut to Vader & DS, back to Luke preparing to leave, R2 beeps a message, show X-wings monitor with message from Leia or Threepio about the rescue, Luke heads to Tatooine. I think it would be easier to piece together.
"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination." – John Lennon
fishmanlee said: NEW VERSION WITH EFFECTS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8oUlmWwR0o
Why TPM score??
um because i thought it might fit?
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
Think again!
give me one valid reason why and i will
(dont say "because its from TPM!")
the beginning cue is from ROTS its called Goodbye Old Friend
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
i want something awesome from you hotrod :D
-Angel
vaderios said:
i want something awesome from you hotrod :D
-Angel
Are you calling HotRod out on calling out the guy you've been calling a troll? I'm calling YOU out! :-P
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skye1083 said:
Hi! I decided to stop lurking and join the discussion. I have read almost all of this thread (sad I know) and I would love to see some of these ideas become reality.
About the Ben/Luke conversation, someone suggested that it be cut altogether, and I think I have to agree. I don't mind Leia being a Skywalker - it's pretty much set in stone now, but it would be nice if Luke showed some of that famed Jedi insight and just knew that Leia was his sister.
So how about this: Luke training on Dagobah, Yoda dies, Luke being unsure, cut to Vader & DS, back to Luke preparing to leave, R2 beeps a message, show X-wings monitor with message from Leia or Threepio about the rescue, Luke heads to Tatooine. I think it would be easier to piece together.
Welcome to our wonderful world of head scratching.
Cutting the Ben's ghost bit is problematic in it's own right, we really need to see Luke confront Ben about the great fib, Luke doesn't really get a chance to lay into Yoda because by the time he asks him about it he's already dying.
The poor boy is pretty much manipulated by his masters, they aren't the white hats they pretend to be.
As for Luke figuring it out for himself without help, he sure picks his moments and it's such a wacky story shift that it needs someone else to explain it (for once exposition does come in handy).
To have Luke find out his mentors have lied to him, his dead father is a living murdering despot wannabe and to figure out for himself that the lovely lady he has been gleefully snogging for the last two episodes is his sister and not to have anyone to bitch about it to would be enough to pull even the most seasoned Jedi to the dark side.
Palpatine wouldn't need to do anything.
Seeing Fishmanlee's mockup (the music change doesn't really add much and I doubt if the sound could be successfully be rebuilt around the change) does point up that the ship positions need to be changed as the last ships just disappear they don't shoot off to the same vanishing point the earlier craft do.
I assume that they would all jump to the same spot if they are going to the same space (they certainly would just fade out like that).
doubleofive said:
vaderios said:
i want something awesome from you hotrod :D
-Angel
Are you calling HotRod out on calling out the guy you've been calling a troll? I'm calling YOU out! :-P
its a new record! you said calling four times!
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
Shit man, the pressure....
Can't handle the pressure...........
Ok Fishman...I need to ask....What's wrong with the original music?
you can either list one valid reason
or suggest an alternative cue (besides the original)
there is nothing terribly wrong with it
but when i listened to those cues i thought
"wow that cue would fit in that scene!"
then vaderios thought the idea was good
vaderios said:fishmanlee said:Here is what i want basicly for PT music in ROTJ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MblYENwHoII
I like it! I d love to see it without the two musics at the same time.
As i said before, ROTJ march was a bit off.
is just me :)
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
HotRod, you have to remember that Fishman is the guy who thought he could remove all of the music from the movies and leave the dialog and effects intact. This is his thing.
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If you can rebuild the sound mix around the changed score go ahead but it doesn't really change the mood enough to warrant the huge amount of work involved.
But what about those ships?
The ships are already on the list, bongowingowongo.
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Good because I want those ships not excuses ;-p (that emoticon has given me a face ache)
My appropriate response should have been: "You worry about those fighters, I'll worry about the tower."
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doubleofive said:
HotRod, you have to remember that Fishman is the guy who thought he could remove all of the music from the movies and leave the dialog and effects intact. This is his thing.
Riiigghhtt....Must have missed that!
Go for it Fishman!
As for valid reasons...I have none. You win.
I've drunk far too much red wine to go in depth as to why I think you should do things different....I'll leave that for when I've a clear head back at work!!!
doubleofive said:
vaderios said:
i want something awesome from you hotrod :D
-Angel
Are you calling HotRod out on calling out the guy you've been calling a troll? I'm calling YOU out! :-P
Id rather see some good from hotrod rather shit from....
We are all drunk here
-Angel