vaderios said:
Replaced Lando matte figure, enhance the landscape added luke's missing saber.
-Angel
Lando matte? Never noticed. How did you do the new one, and can it be done in motion?
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Yes!The whole bottom of the boats is matte too.
Lando is from a previous shot. its like ady added the second/expanded hangar to ANH:R he put it in different time and in slow motion. No one can notice the difference because the action focus on luke. ;)
-Angel
I love that Dune Sea background Angel, it really does have a literal ocean feel about it, makes this all look like ships at sea. I like that a lot.
vaderios said:
Yes!The whole bottom of the boats is matte too.
-Angel
OK, I've come to the conclusion that there are way too many mattes in this film. Either that or I've just never noticed them in other films.
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whoaaa ^^ awesome.
Lando no longer looks like one of my old action figures dangling there. lol
Nice work!
Is there any way to put smaller versions of the red sails onto the smaller skiffs?
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Impossible. Its not only the match moving but the shadows to actors etc. Plus many shots are from top. so sails would block the view. ;)
-Angel
doubleofive said:
vaderios said:
Yes!The whole bottom of the boats is matte too.
-Angel
OK, I've come to the conclusion that there are way too many mattes in this film. Either that or I've just never noticed them in other films.
Hey, Hitchcock wouldn't have been able to make half of his films without them. Don't knock the mattes. I love 'em. :D
DF Shadow said:
whoaaa ^^ awesome.
Lando no longer looks like one of my old action figures dangling there. lol
Nice work!
I like how youve blended the seams between live-action and background Angel. You can't tell where one ends and the other begins. Well, we can tell but were pretty nuts. :p
There is another film with alot of Tunisian sand dune footage and that is The English Patient. Yes, I watched it and I liked it!(I have to say that) :p
But that film has a lot of Tunisian dune footage. If any can be put to good use, I dunno.
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shanerjedi said:
Hey, Hitchcock wouldn't have been able to make half of his films without them. Don't knock the mattes. I love 'em. :D
well we are gonna need them for sure.
(zoom it)
The shadows is an uber problem here. Not impossible. Just to decide what is easier for the more difficult shots.
It seems its going to have great effort to continuity these...
Add them to the list 005 ;)
-Angel
vaderios said:
shanerjedi said:
Hey, Hitchcock wouldn't have been able to make half of his films without them. Don't knock the mattes. I love 'em. :D
well we are gonna need them for sure.
(zoom it)
The shadows is an uber problem here. Not impossible. Just to decide what is easier for the more difficult shots.
It seems its going to have great effort to continuity these...
Add them to the list 005 ;)
-Angel
Yeah the top one was the miniature set shot at ILM. The miniature shots actually compliment your dune stuff better than the location stuff as the ILMers could get more fanciful than what the location provided.
doubleofive said:
OK, I've come to the conclusion that there are way too many mattes in this film.
But not enough Rics.
Re: matte paintings
Most people have no idea just how much of the movie they are watching has matte paintings in it, especially with older movies which, arguably, used the art more skilfully than a lot of the later ones. Black and white movies. One of the main reasons, other than just the skill of the painter, is that people wouldn't suspect what they are looking would be painted. Look at this example, it's absolutely incredible. This is from Hitchcock's The Paradine Case.
If you saw the finished frame, would you ever suspect all that woodwork and the passageway behind weren't real? Hitchock obviously wasn't the only one who used this technique, they were being used long before him, but he sure did know how to use them.
That film is an excellent example of great matte work as are most of Hitch's films.
He was using the digital backlot before there was one. Photochemical backlot? :p
Lando looks like he was done in MS Paint in the first image.
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Shanerjedi:
"That film is an excellent example of great matte work as are most of Hitch's films. He was using the digital backlot before there was one. Photochemical backlot? :p"
Well, not even photchemical, that matte painting was in camera, I believe, shot live.
How about this one. Sort of Hitchcock ;-) This is actually a travelling matte, which means, basically, that it had to actually work while the camera was tracking across from left to right as a car arrives and pulls up.
It's actually from Psycho II, in 1983, by the late, very great Albert Whitlock. The guy was an illusion genius. Yes, the hills behind the motel are not very well painted, but can you tell where the painting begins and ends?
fishmanlee said:
Lando looks like he was done in MS Paint in the first image.
Actually, Lando in the original matte worked very well. Yes, the new one is great because it's the actual footage. But that's one of the benfits today's digital compositing allows.
The matte guys from the originals were forced to raise the bar in order to get things to look right in optical composites. So the original works incredibly well for '83.
Darth Venal said:
How about this one. Sort of Hitchcock ;-) This is actually a travelling matte, which means, basically, that it had to actually work while the camera was tracking across from left to right as a car arrives and pulls up.
It's actually from Psycho II, in 1983, by the late, very great Albert Whitlock. The guy was an illusion genius. Yes, the hills behind the motel are not very well painted, but can you tell where the painting begins and ends?
Ahh gee. Now I'm getting all sentimental thinking about all this great stuff. Nope. I cannot tell where the seams between live-action and matte are. Great stuff from Whitlock.
Like all great matte artists, he knew where the detail needed to go and where it didn't. Focus the eye. ;)
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Venal, that Paradine shot was an hanging matte? I miss in-camera fx.
The good thing of 2004 dvds is that took the laggy animation of Gout that was placed here and there( sail barge flying scenes, rebel hangar) and make them well animated silhouettes.
Lol i just noticed in the 3 pics i posted, the first one (with the imminent barge explosion) you can see the shadow of the stick that holds the little boat. The illusion worked. The shadow failed :P
-Angel
Here you go. What REALLY amazes me is the motel. It's joined at the sign post. Incredible. It's unbelievable that they didn't build the whole motel for Psycho 2; they didn't rebuild it all until Psycho 3. And even though they had the house on the hill, in a number of shots in Psycho 2 it's painted. Wonderful!
It may be impossible to add small sails to the current skiffs but there's nothing but hard work stopping us from adding more skiffs with small sails.
For those seeking a shadowy first view of Luke maybe we could have one final trial on Dagobah before going inside the mudhut for one last goodbye to his master.
If it was done in silhouette it could hide the lack of new Mark Hamill footage.
A dark robed figure picked out in the swamp mists, effortlessly moving rocks, a tree or even his ship would show how far he has come.
Darth Venal said:
Here you go. What REALLY amazes me is the motel. It's joined at the sign post. Incredible. It's unbelievable that they didn't build the whole motel for Psycho 2; they didn't rebuild it all until Psycho 3. And even though they had the house on the hill, in a number of shots in Psycho 2 it's painted. Wonderful!
Wow. See, look at how he added that tree to the left. I love subtle stuff like that. Didn't you say this was a tracking shot too? lol.