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Well, i'll give you the sound thing. Casual listeners like me don't really notice it, but they should have included the original mix.
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I had the opportunity to listen to the original theatrical mix side by side the DHT mix today.

Um, more punch, better sound stage, better movement of sounds through the speakers. No contest.
I will probably be building a Theatrical Version edit. The preacher's knee will be decided later since I'm involved in L.A. Story EE at the moment.
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I noticed the sound thing. I saw Mermaid in the theater at like 9 years old and have seen it countless times since...the new sound really bugged me. So I did a quick hack job and merged the audio from the old disc to the video on the new one. Nothing fancy or professional, but it works for me.
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It should be fairly simple to mux the audio and video, either finding the delay or just resyncing and reauthoring.
I'm hoping to also restore the Preacher's knees... now THAT bugs me.

Anybody know of any other changes? (That is besides ham fisted digital clean up and color changes.)
I will also be looking for a scan of the original movie poster that got banned. I think it'd be perfect cover art for the project.
And no this won't be called the Freud Edition (but it should be).

Dr. M

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Originally posted by: ZackR
I noticed the sound thing. I saw Mermaid in the theater at like 9 years old and have seen it countless times since...the new sound really bugged me. So I did a quick hack job and merged the audio from the old disc to the video on the new one. Nothing fancy or professional, but it works for me.


That was pretty much what I was going to do. My HDD is still over-run, which is why I hadn't gotten to it. Sorry for that guys.


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Did anyone get the audio and video to match? I started working on this and I notice the run times are more than a minute different...

What else did they mess with?

EDIT: Scratch that. The original DVD has multilingual credits and seemless branching to use them.

Dr. M

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While I'm working on this. Can anyone confirm that the only (change with the preacher and his knees) is just that 2 seconds in one shot?
I don't want to miss any other locations while fixing it.

Dr. M

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For the two people still reading this thread.

You can put a delay on the old track and mux it but they aren't 100% the same the whole length of the movie.
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Thanks for the update. I can probably at least offer my GIMP skills for the project, if you wish.


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Similar to Photoshop skills, only free.

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Oh, I appreciate the offer KlingonJedi, but the project is done, burned and will soon be available to interested parties.
Wish you had made the offer a couple weeks back.

Dr. M

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I'm talking cover and disc wise. I seem to remember a request made in the other thread. I'm not the best, but I might be able to do something with what you've already got, time permitting.


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Dr. M,

Please consider me a "very" interested party. I checked out your thread over at fanedits.com and really like what it appears you did. Mine ended up leaving something to be desired...

Will this be available at myspleen? Just curious. I'd love to get it if you could tell me how you plan to get it out there.

Thanks so much for taking the time to do this!

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Didn't notice this before:

A 2-disc Platinum Edition was released on DVD in October 2006. There are a handful of changes, as well as some things that only appear to be changed.

* The most noteworthy change is that the infamous priest's knee has been smoothed out the first time it is seen. (For those who prefer accuracy, poke around disc 2 a little bit and see if you find some consolation.)
* When the credits start crawling, they are sped up a little bit to accommodate several restoration credits near the end. The total credits time is unchanged.
* The original Dolby Stereo logo has been replaced (as in the 1997-8 re-release) with newer sound specifications (SDDS, Dolby Digital, DTS) in the credits.
* At the end of the credits, "cassette and compact disc from" no longer follows "soundtrack available on"; as well, as with the re-release, a new Walt Disney Records logo is used. What has not changed:
* The original movie has some computer-generated elements (such as the ship and a staircase Ariel runs down); these are not new, and have been in the movie from its first release.
* While the re-release used a shorter version of "Under the Sea" in the credits, followed by Ariel singing "Part of Your World," the original version (and the 2006 DVD) feature a slightly longer "Under the Sea" and a wordless choral arrangement of "Part of Your World," so the audio for the credits is faithful to the original.


I've also been made aware of a more limited release that contains a DTS mix. Though not only do I not know where to get a copy, I'm not aware of any editing software that works in DTS. Maybe a v2.0 down the road(?)

ALSO Can anyone confirm for me that the 1997 re-release audio mixes were derived from a 2 channel source? I had read before that that was the case, but IMDB shows an original release 70mm 6-track mix. That would suggest there was already a pre-Dolby Digital more-than-2-channel-mix they could have sourced.

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One more thing... I've cleaned up both the cover and disc art since I couldn't wait.
If anyone else has been working on it, let me know and I'll take a look. I'll use whatever looks best.

Dr. M

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I'm working on one at the moment. Looking over that thread, I'd love to have the 2.0 track, as I'm "one of those purists that hate remixes".


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Well I don't know anyone that has the limited-er release with DTS & 2.0. I'm not ready to shell out $10 on Ebay for it.
If I knew I could edit the DTS I'd consider a version 2 with DTS & DD 2.0 but every Google I've done tells me it's impossible without decoding editing and re-encoding.

To be fair, if someone provided me with the 2.0 audio I would consider adding it in since I still have all the parts.

Edit: Actually in all fairness, it is theoretically possible to do this project. I'd have to edit the VIDEO by adding and removing frames to sync it with the DD2.0 track and once it is it could be muxed with the DTS 5.1 track.
That being said, I really am not in love with the idea of doing that. It means I'm intentionally adding and subtracting frames which might be noticeable. Also it means cell times would have to be manually shifted and the DVD re-reconstructed to match the new celltimes.
BUT, it would be a disc with the DD2.0 original audio, and the DTS and DD 5.1 audio mixes from '97. It should all fit on a SL disc.

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Well, I watched the platinum dvd last night and I really wasn't that impressed with the picture. It looked blurry and some moving objects seemed to stutter through the frame. When I went frame by frame, I saw that there were a number of frame blending scenes. What happened? Is the older dvd like that too. It also sounded faint.
But I was watching the extra features and I could swear the film clips looked better in those cases. The infamous priest scene even appears with his kneecap in the Hans Christian Anderson feature.

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EDIT: I noticed what looked like blended frames too, but I'm pretty sure it's from when they originally photographed the cells. You can see localized blurring, but sometimes what looks like shadows of a cell buckling and such. In the 2 seconds I worked with any blurring was present in both releases not just the new one.
In fact the restoration fixes some rotation in the cells that is present in the original release.

It's not a matter that the new release is GOOD, it's a matter that the last release was so BAD.

I compared the two and there is no way I would prefer the picture of the old letterboxed, artifact ridden edition.
I still hope for a better release in the future, but since this is what the restoration looks like, expect it to look this bad on Blu-Ray.

And yes, the knees were intact in the featurette, but I believe it was letterboxed (and possibly from the unrestored original release). Funny thing is I never checked before I did the edit. (I'm hoping it wasn't restored or I'll feel like an idiot.)

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Yes the featurette is letterboxed. But the color timing and framing (there was different cropping in the 2 versions) indicate it is from the restored source AND before they removed the knees. The downside is quality.

Featurette Screenshot:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1381/featuretterm3.jpg

Dr. M's Restored Theatrical Edition:
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2884/restoredjr4.jpg

The manual correction might have been more work, but the quality difference was worth it. Even if it is literally 2 seconds of film.

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This is available again. PM me if you are interested.

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Did anyone transfer a copy to their MediaFire account?  The site ate mine and I don't want to have to rip and upload again.

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So this is lost? I"d been using the Platinum as a test disc lately and remembered this project in my annoyance over the sound. I never did get around to actually finding where you uploaded it. Look's like it's back to my VHS copies (original 90's VHS with 89 sound mix and Disney Channel recordings with the 97 stereo - the first time I'd ever noticed a difference thanks to my then new stereo system. The two alone are vastly different.)


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Fear not, I will just have to re-rip, rar, and upload.

MediaFire gives the option to do a direct copy between accounts, so I though perhaps someone might have transfered this to their account and still had it there.  It would have saved a lot of time and effort.

Dr. M