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Originally posted by: Moth3r
That ESB delay looks a bit suspect. The difference between 0.992 and 0.948 is 44ms, that's just over a frame, which might be noticeable to some people.

I'll take a look this evening.



I was surprised myself... but I matched the two waveforms to the best of my ability at several points across the entire film and got fairly consistent results. It'll be interesting see your results
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Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker
Belbucus' DC PCM synced to GOUT
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Archive: DC48 DVD.zip
Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Name
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1395131276 Defl:N 1163562866 17% 09-23-06 09:16 71be2bb2 DC48 DVD.wav



FLAC fingerprint:
7577368a4492a12cc87da5212fb5250d

Was this the one posted by Boba Feta? If so, why was Boba's post in 3 parts?

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Yes boba feta uploaded that one to filefactory, but he split it into 4 FLAC files.

I can only speculate why.

If you decode boba's 4 FLACs and combine them into one large WAV, it'll be 1,395,130,152 bytes.
The original WAV from Belbucus is larger (1,395,131,276) so naturally the CRC-32 won't match.

FLAC doesn't preserve the extra RIFF chunks that were present in the original WAV's non-canonical header.

However no PCM samples are lost. The "fingerprint" will match the one in my quote.
The fingerprint is the MD5 of the WAV's payload only (i.e. PCM samples stored within the WAV) and doesn't include the WAV file's header.
[Contrast the CRC-32 in my quote which is for the entire WAV file including header and extra RIFF chunks.]

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I meant 4 parts, typo on my behalf, but thank you for cleaing that up, Mallwalker! And thanks for posting it in the first place!

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Allrighty then... lets get this party started.

ESB Part 2

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WOOT! Thanks for getting the ball rolling, Feta! Part 2 you say...
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Originally posted by: dumb_kid
Originally posted by: Moth3r
That ESB delay looks a bit suspect. The difference between 0.992 and 0.948 is 44ms, that's just over a frame, which might be noticeable to some people.

I'll take a look this evening.



I was surprised myself... but I matched the two waveforms to the best of my ability at several points across the entire film and got fairly consistent results. It'll be interesting see your results
I've just checked, and found the delay to be 0.948-0.949s.

Maybe I altered the WAV by mistake when I ripped it? I think we need a third opinion.

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Yeah for some reason Part I crapped out at 98%, so I'm reupping that one now.

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ESB Part I

ESB Part II

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Originally posted by: Moth3r
I think we need a third opinion.
I'll check ESB later tonight.

For STAR WARS I'm coming up between 1.017 - 1.018
Nearer to the high side of that range, I'm calling it 1.0177

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Hmm, hopefully we can get definitive numbers on the precise correct delay figures for all three movies. So far, Darth Mallwalker's figure of 1.017 - 1.018 seems to match up quite well with Belbucus's number for A New Hope.

boba feta: Don't forget that you might be able to upload the PCM track for one entire Star Wars movie as one big flac file on megaupload, which I think allows files of that size to be uploaded. I'm not sure, but it's worth checking out.

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Nope, for me the limit was 250.

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Hey, Feta, quick question....is the rar in 2 parts, or more than that?
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My best estimates:

SW +1.018
ESB +0.992
RotJ +1.038

For jedi my 4 data points ranged form +1.032 to +1.043 so I took the average
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For Empire I added 0.948 s of silence at the beginning of the wave file. I demuxed the vobs with vobedit and muxed them with dvd-lab pro. The music starts just before "STAR WARS" of the crawl appears. Further in the movie it gets out of sync even more. At the end of the movie it's about 2 seconds out of sync.
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Since I am only able to load the actual DVD audio in real time, I am unable to verify if anything is off at the layer change point. I have no reason to assume there is a problem and it was apparently not an issue with ANH, but both ESB and RotJ have yet to be confirned in this regard.
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I don't think the layerbreak is the problem, it doesn't change the video or audio streams. There's no layerbreak when the files are on the hdd.
I don't know maybe I did something wrong. I'm having difficulty playing back the vobs, somtimes the image freezes for a second. I think the total bitrate is to high in some parts.

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I checked the bitrate of the first part of the m2v of Empire. I think it explains my problems: an average of 8500
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Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker
I'll check ESB later tonight.

For STAR WARS I'm coming up between 1.017 - 1.018
Nearer to the high side of that range, I'm calling it 1.0177

0.948 < ESB < 0.949 . . . I'll call it 0.9485

1.014 < ROTJ < 1.015 . . . I'll call it 1.0143

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I didn't mean to suggest that the layer break itself was the problem - just the remote chance that there might have been an instance of misalignment coincidentally occuring at the layer change interval that I was unable to read.
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I wonder what could be causing The Empire Strikes Back to go out of synch, I thought once the delay was gotten right it would be synched from start to finish?

boba feta: These files you uploaded, they don't have the delay's built in yet, right?

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Originally posted by: Belbucus
One note on the 35mm Dolby Stereo that's been posted already: The overall level was set so peaks fall in the neighborhood of "0". This is just good practice when transferring analogue material into the digital domain. However, because of the intentionally limited dynamics of this mix, when played side by side with the '93 mix (which also peaks at "0", but with far more dynamic range), it will seem noticeably louder.

I think it might be more appropriate to issue a second version of this at a reduced level referenced to the ’93 PCM, to better represent its place in the larger scheme
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Belbucus' '77 Dolby Stereo at Reference Level synced to GOUT

Archive: DS48 RL DVD.zip
Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Name
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1395841168 Defl:N 1176838075 16% 10-15-06 17:22 4be7733c DS48 RL DVD.wav

Use the same delay offset as the others. It's not built-in.



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If some of you are just adding the LPCM wav file to the original DVD video that you've ripped from the retail DVDs, you may be running into a problem of having a bitrate that is bigger than the DVD spec allows. If I'm not mistaken, the DVD specification says that the maximum bitrate of a video/audio stream must not be bigger than 10.08 Mbps (10080 kbps). So, if you just add the LPCM wav file to the high bitrate video, your DVD player (on the computer or attached to your TV) may stutter and skip around when the bitrate gets too high. I'm not sure, but this might also cause problems when checking how well the audio synchs up with the video.
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chuck88 makes a good point, can someone check to see if the combined bit-rate of the 2006 video from each of the movies and the PCM soundtracks is within the max allowed by the DVD standard?

boba feta: I just finished DL'ing the ESB PCM soundtrack you posted, but when I uncompress the files and try to play the resulting .wav file, I get an error in winamp saying, "missing codec or unsupported format". But I have no problem playing the FLAC or wav files that you posted for A New Hope. And since both the PCM tracks come from Belbucus, the files should be in the exact same format and work with the same software. Has anything changed in the format or sampling rate or whatever between the A New Hope soundtrack files you posted and the ESB soundtrack files you posted? Thanks for any info.

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Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker
1.014 < ROTJ < 1.015 . . . I'll call it 1.0143
I got 1.015 for RoTJ as well.

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