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Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom: The InfoDroid Edit (Released)

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I squeezed this one in while the SW: Reborn project was on hiatus.

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Full Rez cover & disc art available here: http://rapidshare.com/files/123712545/TempleDVDcover1.zip.html

Here’s what I did:

-Added Lucasfilm logo to match Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

-First shot of the film is a statue of an idol taken from a documentary called “Sacred Planet” which happens to blend in perfectly with the angles of the Paramount logo.

-Cut Kate Capshaw’s opening song and dance number and replaced it with a sequence taken from the middle of the film to evoke a much more mysterious, foreboding tone akin to Raiders and more appropriate for a movie titled “The Temple of Doom”.

-Added new titles with correct font to match the other three films in the series.

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-The film now opens with the elephant ride through the jungle up to Pankot Palace.

-After Indy and the gang meet the Prime Minister, we fade from an exterior shot of the Pankot sunset, to Indy walking down the steps inside Club Obi Wan. A subtitle reads: “Shanghai, The Previous Day”.

-Cut Indy’s line “…or anything goes.” (A reference to the now cut dance number.)

-Cut Willie’s unfunny line about Nurhachi being a “real small guy”.

-Cut sidekick Wu-Han’s over-the-top death scene…although, to make it work I had to unfortunately cut Lao Che’s line “Don’t be sad, Dr. Jones. You will soon be joining him.”

-Reduced Willie’s screaming as they fall through the canopies (as much as possible without losing sound effects).

-Cut Short Round’s superfluous line “Holy smoke! Crash landing!” Now he simply says “Wow!”

-Cut Short Round’s line “Hold on to your potatoes!”

-Cut Short Round saying “Wow!..wow…” as he’s crashing through things on the Shanghai streets.

-Flipped a few shots of the rickshaw to correct continuity. Sailor and girlfriend keep swapping sides. (That’s bothered me for years.)

-Cut Short Round’s Anakin-like line “This is fun!”

-Cut Dan Aykroyd’s cameo scene. His fake English accent was annoying and his scene adds absolutely nothing to the story. Indy’s line “Owe ya a gin!” is all that remains.

-Reduced Willie’s screaming as they fall out of the airplane on the raft. (as much as possible without losing sound effects).

-Cut the extremely dated effects shot of the plane crashing on the mountain behind them.

-Cut the village shaman’s line about “Like monsoon bring darkness over all country…” because it wasn’t an answer to Indy’s question “What has happened here?” So, we cut instead to his line “They came from palace and took Shivalinga from our village.” It makes much more sense now, to me anyway.

-Cut the shaman repeating “bring back to us…bring back to us…” over and over again.

-Cut Indy and Short Round’s scene at night outside the village. Their conversation about fortune and glory didn’t add anything to the story and only served to “clue us in” that the “good luck rock” might be valuable, which is obvious anyway when Indy looks right at the camera and says “Shankara!”. The scene had terrible acting. Terrible special effects. And it bears all the signs of a post production pick-up shot.

-Now we transition from indy studying the cloth the boy gave him and saying “Shankara!” to him climbing onto the elephant the next day, beginning the elephant trek.

-Cut Indy’s line “Quit monkeying around on that thing…”

-After Indy says, “We’re not going to Dehli, Doll, we’re going to Pankot Palace.” I cut the rest of Willie’s over-the-top whining and went directly to the push-in shot of the village shaman praying.

-Cut Short Round telling the elephant “You’re my best friend…you’re my best friend.”

-Cut out some of Short Round continuing to laugh at Willie after she was tossed into the puddle. It was a little more than we needed.

-Cut the camp in the jungle scene. Way too much screaming. Plus, it looks like they’re on a movie set. The scene is funny but doesn’t really add anything to the narrative and is not at all in the spirit of Raiders, IMO.

-Since the next section of the film was pulled out and placed at the beginning for this edit, after Willie exclaims “I’m a singer! I could lose my voice!” we fade to the exterior sunset at Pankot.

-The dinner scene is completely reworked. No Beetles, no eyeball soup, no monkey brains. Only a snake minus the surprise is all that remains. A comparativly subtle reaction to the snake from Willie and Short Round is all that’s needed. The scene now has a much darker feeling to it as Indy insults his hosts by mentioning the rumored re-emergence of the Thuggee cult and the plot is nicely moved forward without cutting back to shock-schlock every two seconds. ADigitalMan proved to me in his edit that this scene could be saved, but I thought it could be taken a little further by removing the monkey brains as well. They’re great nostalgia from the 80’s, as it’s one of the signature things people remember about this movie, but seeing it now, to me it just looks very fake. Takes me out of the movie. So, my version is played very serious and we fade from an ominous look from Indy at the table to him and Short Round in the hall on the way to bring Willie some fruit…

-Re-edited Indy getting strangled in his room. It takes waaayyy to long for Short Round to wake up with all that crashing going on. So, in this version, he wakes up a lot sooner.

-Cut Short Round opening the door where the dead bodies pop out. Makes Shorty look stupid.

-Cut Willie pushing on the “breasts” of the statue. There was no point, she already had one door open that she wouldn’t go into. Why try to open another one?

-Cut entire sequence with Thuggee victim getting his heart ripped out and being lowered into the pit. Personally, I don’t really enjoy watching sustained images of organs being pulled out and guys screaming helplessly as they’re engulfed in flames. It’s just not the kind of thing I like to watch repeatedly. I’m sure some of you will disagree, but I really felt it could be made more enjoyable to watch if a lot of this stuff was toned down. The Thuggees are evil enough being creepy demon worshippers and having stolen the shankara stones AND all the village’s children.

-Cut scene with Indy and Short Round in cage with children. “You drink blood, you not wake up from nightmare.” It was just a weird scene, and full of unnecessary exposition. I think it’s scarier to NOT know what the blood does to you when they pour it down Indy’s throat.

-Cut Indy announcing an offering of “flesh and blood” to Kali. Indy’s mind is controlled by Mola Ram now…we get it.

-Cut Willie’s line “I’m not going to have anything nice to say about this place when I get back.” Overlapped Chatter Lal’s dialogue with her pleading for Indy to help her. It feels more natural this way.

-Cut Willie spitting in Indy’s face and him rubbing it in while smiling.

-Reduced some of Willie’s screaming as she’s lowered into the pit.

-Cut Short Round pleading “You’re my best friend, Indy!”

-Eliminated shot of huge fireball licking toward Willie from the pit and a few of the cutaways to her.

-Cut lackey getting konked on the head with sledgehammer ala Looney Tunes.

-Cut Mola Ram trying to rip Indy’s heart out as they’re climbing up the collapsed drawbridge. No more “Indy! Cova ya hot!”

New runtime: 1 hr 40 mins

Full DVD via Rapidshare:
http://www.faneditforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4369

Here is a 700mb avi xvid release courtesy of Boon.
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4250246

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If you can cut from Pankot to club obiwan and back again without any dramas then I say go for it. The new opening shots look really good.
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Infodroid!
It looks like you have done a great job on this; I would love to see a copy!
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InfoDroid said:

I'm planning to do Last Crusade soon too. And yeah, Ben...I'm sure I'll end up editing Indy IV eventually... :)


I know this is not much more appropriate a forum than the Star Wars: REBORN thread, but I have a question for if and when you do get to #4.

I loved the movie, with a few niggles of course (mainly the silly CG monkeys and the OTT waterfall scene), but the title grated on me as much as the retitling of Raiders as "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark", on the DVD case at least (I haven't seen the DVD itself so I don't know but I hope he hasn't changed it there too). "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" is just as unwieldy — compare these two to the original, much shorter "Raiders of the Lost Ark", "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" and "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade". In addition, what relevance is the Kingdom (ie. temple) of the Crystal Skull? It could be turned into "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull", but I thought a simpler and much more fitting title would be "THE RETURN OF INDIANA JONES". It fits the B-movie ethos these films have always had so much better than the actual title. It's also appropriate given the 19-year gap since the previous film.

Would you consider including this retitling?

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InfoDroid said:

-Cut entire sequence with Thuggee victim getting his heart ripped out and being lowered into the pit. Personally, I don't really enjoy watching sustained images of organs being pulled out and guys screaming helplessly as they're engulfed in flames. It's just not the kind of thing I like to watch repeatedly. I'm sure some of you will disagree, but I really felt it could be made more enjoyable to watch if a lot of this stuff was toned down. The Thuggees are evil enough being creepy demon worshippers and having stolen the shankara stones AND all the village's children.

This scene was actually trimmed down on the UK theatrical and DVD releases (to get a PG rating).

It was trimmed down even more in the badly edited version shown on TV, so the line "he's still alive" makes no sense (why wouldn't he be?)

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this looks amazing! incidentally i grew up with a badly recorded version of the uk cut on vhs.

when will this be available?
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cool project. is this going to be released or be made available?

Nothing about fanediting is easy.

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RoccondilRinon said:

I know this is not much more appropriate a forum than the Star Wars: REBORN thread, but I have a question for if and when you do get to #4.

I loved the movie, with a few niggles of course (mainly the silly CG monkeys and the OTT waterfall scene), but the title grated on me as much as the retitling of Raiders as "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark", on the DVD case at least (I haven't seen the DVD itself so I don't know but I hope he hasn't changed it there too). "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" is just as unwieldy — compare these two to the original, much shorter "Raiders of the Lost Ark", "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" and "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade". In addition, what relevance is the Kingdom (ie. temple) of the Crystal Skull? It could be turned into "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull", but I thought a simpler and much more fitting title would be "THE RETURN OF INDIANA JONES". It fits the B-movie ethos these films have always had so much better than the actual title. It's also appropriate given the 19-year gap since the previous film.

Would you consider including this retitling?


I actually love the title Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I see your point, the word "kingdom" doesn't have much to do with the plot (George Lucas' idea, btw. According to the Making Of book he said "I don't care what the title is, just get the word "kingdom" in there somewhere.) But also, long titles are consistent with what's popular now. Take Star Wars, Narnia, Harry Potter, and Pirates for example...we have the brand name and then the subtitle. So, I probably wouldn't consider making this change for my version. No niggles for me. ;)

And I actually also was relieved when they finally put "Indiana Jones" in front of the Raiders title. I shelve my DVD's alphabetically. :)

And yes, Boon...I will be releasing this as soon as I throw a few finishing touches on this weekend. Then I have to figure out how to seed a torrent...never done one before. It'll be good practice.

Or maybe I can turn it over to fanedited.com for distribution...wink wink...

Thanks, Guys!

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RE titles:

I'd vote for "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skulls" for the 4th movie.

Also, they didn't change the title for "Raiders" within the movie, which is all I care about. I can make my own covers without the "Indiana Jones" in the title.

And this edit sounds great - I'd love to see it when you're done!

Though, might I suggest changing the "AND THE" in the title to the same font used for "STARRING IN"? It's looking a wee bit rough at the moment, and I think that would help. Besides, the opening titles in the movies have never been *exactly* alike - the titles for "RAIDERS" use the second font for "OF THE LOST ARK," for example. I'd go with legibility over continuity here.
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Seems like a complete and utter waste of time to me. If anything the film should've been longer. Hell, concerning all the Indiana Jones films, which I highly prefer over the Star Wars franchise, having deleted scenes it would've been great to up the running times for extended versions.
I had only one major problem with the actual film. It's actually nitpicking. The film should've taken place in 1934. That way there'd be a two-year-in-film-gap between the movies. So it shoulda been RotLA - 1936, ToD - 1934, TLC - 1938.
I have an even better idea for a project. Make Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis play like a movie. And "InfoDroid", have you ever heard of or watched 1939's GUNGA DIN? I also liked Shorty, made Indy be a father-figure and gives him more determination to free the village children.
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DarkGryphon: I'm familiar with Gunga Din though I've never seen it. I'm also aware that Temple of Doom is very strongly based on that picture even down to the name of the Thuggee cult.

Anyway, it may be a "complete and utter waste of time" for you if you're a fan of the original, but not for me, obviously, because I'm fixing things that have bothered me for years.

Before Crystal Skull, Temple of Doom was always derided as the worst of the Indy films. I've always enjoyed the story and think there are some amazing parts in it, but of course, I subscribe to the "less-is-more" opinion and think it can be salvaged and improved by trimming the silly stuff.

ChainsawAsh: Thanks for pointing that out. I had considered doing the "AND THE" in the other font and agree it does look smooshed on the screen capture. I was just trying to stay consistent with Last Crusade and Kingdom, they were both in the same font. As you mentioned, Raiders was the only deviation from that. i might try it the other way, but I'm hoping the full-rez doesn't look as smooshed.

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InfoDroid said:

DarkGryphon: I'm familiar with Gunga Din though I've never seen it. I'm also aware that Temple of Doom is very strongly based on that picture even down to the name of the Thuggee cult.

Anyway, it may be a complete and utter waste of time for you if you're a fan of the original, but not for me, obviously, because I'm fixing things that have bothered me for years.

Before Crystal Skull, Temple of Doom was always derided as the worst of the Indy films. I've always enjoyed the story and think there are some amazing parts in it, but of course, I subscribe to the "less-is-more" opinion and think it can be salvaged and improved by trimming the silly stuff.

ChainsawAsh: Thanks for pointing that out. I had considered doing the "AND THE" in the other font and agree it does look smooshed on the screen capture. I was just trying to stay consistent with Last Crusade and Kingdom, they were both in the same font. As you mentioned, Raiders was the only deviation from that. i might try it the other way, but I'm hoping the full-rez doesn't look as smooshed.

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I don't think either ToD or KotCS were poor in the series. Unlike Star Wars, Indiana Jones has seperate adventures and don't have to be directly interlinked with each other. I enjoy all of them. Hell, I even watched KotCS a second time earlier this week and come to think of it, I'm going to watch it a third time before it leaves cinemas. Could it be I have a greater appreciation for the Indiana Jones series compared to Star Wars?
The only film from the PT I truly enjoyed was RotS. Both TPM and AotC have their low and high points. RotS felt more like an OT film to me. The first two from the PT felt more like Lucas was doing a couple test films before regaining his "touch".
GUNGA DIN honestly feels like the natural predecessor to ToD. I know ToD was heavily inspired by it.
So, I'll be awaiting for an Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis project.
Oh, and since you're "editing" it anyway, can you please have the "Place, Year" card changed to 1934? Only thing which has bothered me. OH! And that Thugee who was "awakened" from the Black Sleep of Kali while Willie was being lowered into the pit. I noticed that awhile ago. Dude coulda helped them but oh well.
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InfoDroid said:

I'm familiar with Gunga Din though I've never seen it. I'm also aware that Temple of Doom is very strongly based on that picture even down to the name of the Thuggee cult.

The Thuggee cult was actually real, but I assume they were exaggerated for TOD.

Anyway, this definitely sounds like an interesting edit to me. I don't have too many problems with the film as it is, but most of the things that you've altered sound like they can improve the film.
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Looks fun... I'll check it out, once I've seen the original again. Been seven years... at least.

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are you likely to do an edit of Raiders? just to make the titles fit like you have done here?

as this is a prequel my chums and i usually watch it first if we are having indy nights, i am interested in this edit actually working better for that purpose of the tone is more in line with the others.

cant wait!
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I'm not really sure what I'd edit out of Raiders. As far as I'm concerned, it's a perfect film.

I don't know if it would be worth an entire edit to just add "Indiana Jones" to the title.

Maybe though. You have Indy nights? Haha... That sounds fun.

Do you have any ideas on what else you'd want to see changed?

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As I've said before, the films should've been slightly longer, ToD taken place in 1934 instead of 1935 and Short Round is alright by me. Yeah Willie Scott gets on my nerves the same way she does Indiana.
Perhaps you could watch GUNGA DIN actually?

This seems like a very poor "fan-edit" as it is and seems more personal compared to an actual one. Not interested in the slightest.

If anything, I'm waiting for someone to take the playthroughs of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, both the Team and Wits Path, combine them and make one fat mini-series. Of course using the CD-ROM talkie version.

So stick with what you're best at. Re-edit the Star Wars films to your hearts content but of course I vastly prefer Indiana Jones compared to the former.
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There are a few things I might change in raiders if I was given the chance. Nothing major, but still a few things, so here goes lol.

I would for sure add the new Lucasfilm logo from crystal skull, and of course change the title to "Indiana Jones and the".. I really like the idea of making the titles more like crystal skull and crusade. I would also like to add in the new digital shot of the truck going off the cliff that showed up on an HD broadcast if I'm not mistaken, if someone has a good capture of it that is.

I would probably remove Marrion's line "oho, oh nooo" when the mokey knocks over the juice or whatever when they're with Sallah's family. I think it sounds really dubbed, and odd for her (if it is indeed supposed to be her). In terms of audio, there's a couple other small things I'd change, like the lines/mutterings coming from the guys that fight indy in marrion's bar. They sound very dubbed and "odd" in a few places. I would also love to add in some new punching sounds like in crystal skull (if they were indeed new... is it just me or did those punches sound extra intense).

I have also never understood how jock (the guy who flies Indy away in the beginning) could possibly see Indy running from all the natives when he looks up and it cuts to Indy in the field. If some sort of visual effects trickery could be used to alter the shot of Indy in the field to show how he may be visible, I would be very much in favor of that.

I'm super tired right now and can't really remember anything else that has always bothered me, but I will post more when/if i remember it (or if I can come up with anything else lol, raiders is pretty damn good). I would still love seeing these things changed and totally merits an edit IMO. I'll probably end up doing this stuff myself one day if no one else does.
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DarkGryphon2048 said:

ToD taken place in 1934 instead of 1935


I'm curious why does it matter what year it takes place in? why does it have to be 2 years between each one? why does this bother you?

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This seems like a very poor "fan-edit" as it is and seems more personal compared to an actual one. Not interested in the slightest.


Like you I love ToD just the way it is and therefore have little interest in this edit, but I wouldn't call it a "very poor edit" just because I'm not interested, yes it's done to Indodroid's personal taste but aren't all fan edits primarily for the editor? what would be the point in doing an edit if it wasn't what the editor wanted?

DarkGryphon2048 said:

If anything, I'm waiting for someone to take the playthroughs of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, both the Team and Wits Path, combine them and make one fat mini-series. Of course using the CD-ROM talkie version.


That sound quite interesting, why don't you do it?
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InfoDroid said:

You have Indy nights? Haha... That sounds fun.

Do you have any ideas on what else you'd want to see changed?

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we had a long session before we saw IV the other week. i am an art student aswell so i tend to have films on in the background as i work, so indy gets played alot.

i agree with not changing anything in Raiders, except just the titles to fit in. i dont know why, but i like standardisation like that i guess.

what plans do you have for last crusade? i suggest getting rid of harrison's dreadful scottish accent when he pretends to be an artist...
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Owen-Lars Kenobi, those are some great suggestions. I suppose if I go through it with a fine-tooth comb, I could probably find a few things to tweak here and there.

Let me know if you guys have any other specific suggestions about Raiders and I'll take them into consideration. I'll warn you though, I'm no special effects wizard like Adywan...haha...

Max_Rebo, thank you for saying that. It needed to be said. I can never understand why some people act like we're taking scissors to the original negative when I or anyone else does a fan-edit. The original is still available and will continue to be available. What's wrong with loving a movie AND being open to an alternative experience of it? I'm doing this out of love for the film, not dislike.

One thing I've never done (all the years I've been on this forum) is use it to be rude, negative or discouraging to anyone (besides George Lucas, admittedly). For instance, I would never declare someone's work as "poor" or a "complete and utter waste of time" without at least seeing it first. And even if I had seen it and wasn't particularaly impressed by it, I'd more than likely keep my negative comments about it to myself.

All fan-edits should be personal. I'm taking the time to edit this based on my personal tastes. Just like a director makes a film based on his personal tastes and creative choices. Some directors' and producers' tastes are a little more eccentric than we'd like...hence, the emergence of the fan-edit. Instead of just editing it and keeping it for myself, I'm sharing it with the community hoping that there may be some like-minded individuals out there who might agree with some of the changes I've made, or even might just enjoy seeing a different take on a film they like to watch. And if there are parts they don't like about it, they can keep what they like and change what they don't like in their own edit. Isn't that what this is all about?

My point is, if a person claims they're "not interested in the slightest", that's fine. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. But why bother posting again and again, or at all for that matter? There are plenty of other threads which would hopefully be of more interest to you.

Ben_Danger, for Last Crusade I intend to tone down or eliminate a lot of the slap-stick comedic elements. Marcus saying "the pen is mightier than the sword" and that type of stuff. Any suggestions you guys have for Last Crusade would be interesting to hear as well.


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What ID is trying to say is, "Hey DarkGryphon2048 go piss up a tree."

You are a perfect example of why I don't share any of the other edits I have done or might do.

"You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could...you never stopped to think if you should." - Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park
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DarkGryphon2048 said:

Perhaps you could watch GUNGA DIN actually?

This seems like a very poor "fan-edit" as it is and seems more personal compared to an actual one. Not interested in the slightest.


One of these statements does not match the others. Some might refer to this as "hypocrisy".

Anyway, InfoDroid, I'm looking forward to seeing this! Is there a relevance to the idol from the "Sacred Planet" documentary? Is it supposed to be something near the palace?

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Hey Erik! :)

Yeah, it's supposed to be near the palace or somewhere along the ride. It's only the one opening shot, but it works really well as it establishes the tone and setting and then transitions into the elephant trek.

The only thing that concerns me is I'm not entirely sure if it's a Bhuddist or Hindu design. But I guess it could feasibly be either since it seems that they're kind of close to the Indian - Chinese border.

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Just jumping in to say that I think this will be a great edit. I can't wait to see it!