So TL;DR, Padmay died due to lazy script writing and someone is defending it as poetry.
I mean, Christ, imagine a woman killing herself immediately after giving birth as soon as Hitler came into power. Either she doesn’t care about the kids or… no, that’s it. She doesn’t care about the kids.
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So TL;DR, Padmay died due to lazy script writing and someone is defending it as poetry.
I mean, Christ, imagine a woman killing herself immediately after giving birth as soon as Hitler came into power. Either she doesn’t care about the kids or… no, that’s it. She doesn’t care about the kids.
Well hang on, maybe she had cancer that Hitler gave her by using his willpower to cause complications in pregnancy.
Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.
That would take too much screen time after the climax. That would take a whole other movie. Also, why would she leave Luke with Owen and Beru if she was still alive. Why wouldn’t she want to raise both of her children herself?
How so? Put her into the discussion scene on the blockade runner, where Yoda convinces her separating the twins is a good idea, and to let the galaxy think she has died. Padme tearfully agrees, as the situation is too dangerous to keep them together right now. She realizes Tatooine would be a good place to hide Luke, at least until he’s older and can start training. (She’s already met the Lars.) She requests Obi Wan to watch over Luke.’
Padme’s death doesn’t have to be explained on screen, as Leia already stated she died when Leia was very young.
The scenes when Anakin dreamed of Padmé dying in childbirth were obvious foreshadowing that Padmé would die in childbirth.
To foreshadow a character’s death but not kill off that character is the worst form of literary malpractice. It is narrative the equivalent of a doctor telling a patient he has terminal cancer and then saying, “April Fools!”
I could not imagine Padmé ever willingly parting with her son as long as she was still living.
If Padmé had not died in childbirth, Revenge of the Sith would have been a terrible movie. I could not care less that the ending contradicts Return of the Jedi because I never liked Return of the Jedi.
The sequence with Luke and Vader dueling before the emperor was a cinematic masterpiece, but other than that sequence the movie has grave flaws: the Empire building another Death Star with a structural design flaw so large the Millenium Falcon can fly through it, Luke hiding his lightsaber in R2-D2 instead of using it in Jabba’s palace, the weak-minded ogre Jabba the Hutt resisting a Jedi mind trick, cuddly teddy bears massacring imperial stormtroopers, Leia acting nonchalant when told Darth Vader is her father, Leia saying she always knew Luke was her brother despite kissing him in the previous movie, Han forgiving Lando’s bretrayal so rapidly, Lando standing in front of a Millenium Falcon wallpaper backdrop, ect.
There was very little suspense watching Return of the Jedi for me. I inferred that the Rebel Alliance would destroy the Death Star since it had already done so before. I inferred Luke would not turn to the dark side since he had never done anything evil before.
Revenge of the Sith is far from a perfect film, but it is the greatest Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back, in my humble opinion.
To foreshadow a character’s death but not kill off that character is the worst form of literary malpractice. It is narrative the equivalent of a doctor telling a patient he has terminal cancer and then saying, “April Fools!”
Or the forum equivalent of starting a thread claiming AOTC is good and then one month later trying to claim you were just kidding?
Arguably, the entire script is literary malpractice. 😉
Lucas was stuck with the line Leia uttered in 1983, and he couldn’t reconcile it? (Or change it for the SE?) Whether or not you liked ROTJ is beside the point. It was made first, and the prequels should fit the OT, not the other way around.
The biggest April Fool’s was all the misleading promotional stuff promising Vader in the suit doing something more interesting than what we actually got.
Where were you in '77?
Scott109 said:
If Padmé had not died in childbirth, Revenge of the Sith would have been a terrible movie.
And yet, she did die, and it is still a terrible movie. Go figure
To foreshadow a character’s death but not kill off that character is the worst form of literary malpractice. It is narrative the equivalent of a doctor telling a patient he has terminal cancer and then saying, “April Fools!”
Or the forum equivalent of starting a thread claiming AOTC is good and then one month later trying to claim you were just kidding?
No, I was not kidding when I said Attack of the Clones is enjoyable.
Return of the Jedi is also an enjoyable film to watch, even if other than the throne room sequence the film rarely resonated with me.
However, some of my comments defending the romantic dialogue, such as my remark that Attack of the Clones had the most compelling romance I have ever seen, were not meant to be taken seriously.
It may have been the most compelling romance I had ever seen when I was eight years old, though. . .
Arguably, the entire script is literary malpractice. 😉
I would disagree. Sure, there are some things which in retrospect I agree should be changed. Some of the dialogue is poorly written. “It’s over, Anakin. I have the high ground,” “Only a Sith deals in absolutes,” “She has lost the will to live,” ect. R2-D2 should not be able to fly, Yoda should not need a lightsaber, Jar Jar should be absent, Anakin should kill fully trained Jedi and not children, ect.
Lucas was stuck with the line Leia uttered in 1983, and he couldn’t reconcile it? (Or change it for the SE?) Whether or not you liked ROTJ is beside the point. It was made first, and the prequels should fit the OT, not the other way around.
There is some merit to this argument.
The biggest April Fool’s was all the misleading promotional stuff promising Vader in the suit doing something more interesting than what we actually got.
That is probably true.
When I was young(er) and the PT was new, I liked them quite a lot. However, I found myself forgetting everything about them, where I remembered almost every event of the OT (although admittedly, not in order). The PT is just so dull. Sometimes it looks flashy, but that only thinly disguises the fact that there is no emotional weight to anything that was happening, and ipso facto there’s nothing truly memorable.
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Scott109 said:
If Padmé had not died in childbirth, Revenge of the Sith would have been a terrible movie.And yet, she did die, and it is still a terrible movie. Go figure
Regardless, if Padmé had not died in childbirth, the conclusion of the film would have been incompatible with the rest of the script.
What would you have preferred to transpire in the film?
Scott109 said:
If Padmé had not died in childbirth, Revenge of the Sith would have been a terrible movie.And yet, she did die, and it is still a terrible movie. Go figure
Regardless, if Padmé had not died in childbirth, the conclusion of the film would have been incompatible with the rest of the script.
What would you have preferred to transpire in the film?
What if she…you know…actually died in childbirth…because of the childbirth? Cut out the medical droid saying anything about her condition and it works just fine. “She’s lost the will to live” is idiotic.
Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.
That would take too much screen time after the climax. That would take a whole other movie. Also, why would she leave Luke with Owen and Beru if she was still alive. Why wouldn’t she want to raise both of her children herself?
It could have been assumed, especially since Leia says that her mother died when she was young. That’s the problem with the prequels. Everything had to be tied into a neat bow. Why couldn’t we just be left to assume that Boba Fett was some bounty hunter trying to make his way in the universe? Instead, George had to spell it out that he was a clone from New Zealand.
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Maybe he felt he had to spell it out or the people who liked the prequels would be confused.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
Separating Luke and Leia was a hard thing to do. Padme would understand they stood a better chance apart. Life is full of shitty decisions that you make. Luke was loved by Owen and Beru, he had his own speeder and a skyhopper and he didn’t starve.
This all came about because Lucas wanted to tie up the “other” storyline and the Han/Luke/Leia triangle very neatly. Which makes no sense, because the other was captured by Vader when Luke went to save her.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
Scott109 said:
If Padmé had not died in childbirth, Revenge of the Sith would have been a terrible movie.And yet, she did die, and it is still a terrible movie. Go figure
Regardless, if Padmé had not died in childbirth, the conclusion of the film would have been incompatible with the rest of the script.
What would you have preferred to transpire in the film?
If you can alter one part of the script then what makes you think the rest can’t be altered to fit? George was altering the whole damn thing while they were shooting the film. The ground work was laid in the OT. All george had to do is follow what we already knew from those films. Instead he left it to the PT fans to come up with ridiculous theories to attempt to cover up his bad writing.
The context is about the plan. Finn’s plan is to use the Force to come up with a plan. That is indeed, not how the Force works.
I think Finn meant that they would force their way in and Han misheard him and got angry. That’s not how the force works but that’s how old age works.
The context is about the plan. Finn’s plan is to use the Force to come up with a plan. That is indeed, not how the Force works.
I think Finn meant that they would force their way in and Han misheard him and got angry. That’s not how the force works but that’s how old age works.
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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
See, everyone who complains about the humor in TFA should try it themselves so they can realize how hard being funny is.
The context is about the plan. Finn’s plan is to use the Force to come up with a plan. That is indeed, not how the Force works.
I think Finn meant that they would force their way in and Han misheard him and got angry. That’s not how the force works but that’s how old age works.
False. The line Finn says is “We’ll use the Force.”
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It was just a bad joke.
I once had a wife named Padmé. She died. She died.
Palpatine told me I killed her. He lied. He lied.
Why, oh why, is my wife dead?
Couldn’t I have lost the will to live, instead?
ALLOL
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.
That would take too much screen time after the climax. That would take a whole other movie. Also, why would she leave Luke with Owen and Beru if she was still alive. Why wouldn’t she want to raise both of her children herself?
It could have been assumed, especially since Leia says that her mother died when she was young. That’s the problem with the prequels. Everything had to be tied into a neat bow. Why couldn’t we just be left to assume that Boba Fett was some bounty hunter trying to make his way in the universe? Instead, George had to spell it out that he was a clone from New Zealand.
Personally, I like for all loose ends to be tied up in a story.
And why couldn’t someone use the Force to turn off the shield generator? Are the ship’s controls somehow Force-resistant?
There is a difference between a Jedi and someone who says “I don’t know how to turn off the shields, let’s use the force!”
Considering that Rey is able to use a Jedi mind trick without any training (at least that she is aware of), why would Finn not be able to use the Force to turn off the shield generator?
And why couldn’t someone use the Force to turn off the shield generator? Are the ship’s controls somehow Force-resistant?
There is a difference between a Jedi and someone who says “I don’t know how to turn off the shields, let’s use the force!”
Considering that Rey is able to use a Jedi mind trick without any training (at least that she is aware of), why would Finn not be able to use the Force to turn off the shield generator?
Because he’s not force sensitive
And why couldn’t someone use the Force to turn off the shield generator? Are the ship’s controls somehow Force-resistant?
There is a difference between a Jedi and someone who says “I don’t know how to turn off the shields, let’s use the force!”
Considering that Rey is able to use a Jedi mind trick without any training (at least that she is aware of), why would Finn not be able to use the Force to turn off the shield generator?
Because that’s not how the Force works