And why couldn’t someone use the Force to turn off the shield generator? Are the ship’s controls somehow Force-resistant?
There is a difference between a Jedi and someone who says “I don’t know how to turn off the shields, let’s use the force!”
Considering that Rey is able to use a Jedi mind trick without any training (at least that she is aware of), why would Finn not be able to use the Force to turn off the shield generator?
Someone’s not paying attention.
Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.
That would take too much screen time after the climax. That would take a whole other movie. Also, why would she leave Luke with Owen and Beru if she was still alive. Why wouldn’t she want to raise both of her children herself?
It could have been assumed, especially since Leia says that her mother died when she was young. That’s the problem with the prequels. Everything had to be tied into a neat bow. Why couldn’t we just be left to assume that Boba Fett was some bounty hunter trying to make his way in the universe? Instead, George had to spell it out that he was a clone from New Zealand.
Personally, I like for all loose ends to be tied up in a story.
It isn’t a “loose end” to not know how Padme died. We know from Return of the Jedi that she died when Leia was very young. To see her die is unnecessary. A loose end would be if nowhere in the OT was Padme mentioned, and she just vanished in between the two movies. It also isn’t a loose end to not know who Boba Fett was as a small child. It is irrelevant information inconsequential to everything in the story.
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Because that’s not how the Force works
But now because of the Fourth Awakening, we know how it DOES work:
It gets its power from…THE SUN!!!
It would have been horrendous and not nearly as good as the Force Awakens. Only kids that would later grow nostalgia goggles would have enjoyed the movie. Sound familiar?
There are bits and pieces of how the movie would have been like. Luke’s children as children instead of adults (because bad acting from child actors is necessary [sarcasm]) would be the main characters, and the forbidden love thing likely would have played into the story with Luke as some Obi Wan type mentor. It would also be a weird inverse of Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace (see: star wars ring theory). R2D2 would have been revealed to be the storyteller of Star Wars at the end of the trilogy, and Star Wars’ reputation would have been entirely ruined. There probably would’ve been some sappy philosophical stuff too.
George Lucas is far too insane to be trusted with anything anymore.
It would have been horrendous
It is horrendous already. Perhaps it would have been at least original horrendous instead of boring horrendous.
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Georgie is no stranger to retreads. It’s hilarious how some people are now retroactively considering the other Star Wars movies “original,” prequels especially.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a Lucas made Episode VII was just as much a SW “rip-off” as TFA. TPM already kind of was.
Ring Theroy Theory anyone?
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Georgie is no stranger to retreads. It’s hilarious how some people are now retroactively considering the other Star Wars movies “original,” prequels especially.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a Lucas made Episode VII was just as much a SW “rip-off” as TFA. TPM already kind of was.
AOTC also had quite of a bit of ESB in it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a Lucas made Episode VII was just as much a SW “rip-off” as TFA. TPM already kind of was.
AOTC also had quite of a bit of ESB in it.
I don’t remember rehashed plot points bisides the rebels/people of Naboo attacking the Death Star/droid control ship. There are also a few OT shots redone (like redlettermedia pointed out), but they’re minor references, never “in the face” stuff.
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
Heroes being separated?
Jango Fett?
Chase in an asteroid field?
Hand cut off by lightsaber and replaced with robotic hand?
Palpatines apprentice offering the hero to unite against Palps?
Starting a romance?
Futuristic city that is not build on solid ground?
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I wouldn’t be surprised if a Lucas made Episode VII was just as much a SW “rip-off” as TFA. TPM already kind of was.
AOTC also had quite of a bit of ESB in it.
I don’t remember rehashed plot points bisides the rebels/people of Naboo attacking the Death Star/droid control ship. There are also a few OT shots redone (like redlettermedia pointed out), but they’re minor references, never “in the face” stuff.
As for TPM:
Someone sliced in half by a lightsaber
Further points are given for ripping off Jedi:
Local primitive alien species, which at first isn’t very friendly, helps saving the day in the end.
Fast and deadly race with small vehicles.
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Unlike TFA’s those are not plot points, mostly references, though.
Jango Fett?
Right, he’s in AOTC in place for Boba, but besides the armor, their characters and story arc are much different:
-one is hired to capture Solo;
-the other works for the Separatists, is hired to kill the Queen, doesn’t work alone, is father, is the “genetic template”, is chased by Obi-wan;
Heroes being separated?
Starting a romance?
Generic events, shared by many other plots written by many other authors.
Chase in an asteroid field?
The one in AOTC? Besides the fact they’re in an asteroid field, the scene plays completely different than in TESB.
Hand cut off by lightsaber and replaced with robotic hand?
Climax is a space battle in which both Luke and Anakin blow up a spherical thingy to save the day
Reference to Luke’s journey, the reason the PT itself exists: to show us how Anakin and Luke were alike, yet different. We already knew he had a robotic hand since ROTJ (which was shown exactly for the same reason), so he kind of had to tell us how it did happen 😄
Palpatines apprentice offering the hero to unite against Palps?
A Jedi finds a Force Sensitive on a desert planet and takes him off world to train in the ways of the Force
Other references to Luke’s journey.
Futuristic city that is not build on solid ground?
This Jedi is then killed later in the film by a Sith Lord in front of our hero/s
Award ceremony at the end (not really a plot point but an overt parallel nonetheless)
Someone sliced in half by a lightsaber
As I said, minor visual references.
Queen/Princess is held captive.
Yeah maybe. Luckily it plays completely differently from ANH/TFA.
Local primitive alien species, which at first isn’t very friendly, helps saving the day in the end.
Right. I wonder if Lucas was trying to “get it right” this time 😄
Fast and deadly race with small vehicles.
No way, they are completely different scenes, you’re trying too hard now :\
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And how is TFA any different?
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Chase in an asteroid field?
The one in AOTC? Besides the fact they’re in an asteroid field, the scene plays completely different than in TESB.
Queen/Princess is held captive.
Yeah maybe. Luckily it plays completely differently from ANH/TFA.
Funny thing is when I tell someone that Rey and Finn stealing the Millennium Falcon and flying through the desert and even inside a crashed Star Destroyer is different from how the escape from Tatooine played out in STAR WARS they don’t want to hear that shit.
We can apply your post to a great many things in TFA.
Hand cut off by lightsaber and replaced with robotic hand?
Climax is a space battle in which both Luke and Anakin blow up a spherical thingy to save the day
Reference to Luke’s journey, the reason the PT itself exists: to show us how Anakin and Luke were alike, yet different. We already knew he had a robotic hand since ROTJ (which was shown exactly for the same reason), so he kind of had to tell us how it did happen 😄
That’s true but it didn’t necessarily have to happen by the hands of a Sith Lord in the second movie to which our hero defeats him in the third one in front of Palpatine.
Palpatines apprentice offering the hero to unite against Palps?
A Jedi finds a Force Sensitive on a desert planet and takes him off world to train in the ways of the Force
Other references to Luke’s journey.
It’s still less original than what happens in TFA regarding Rey being noticed as a Force Sensitive.
This Jedi is then killed later in the film by a Sith Lord in front of our hero/s
Award ceremony at the end (not really a plot point but an overt parallel nonetheless)
No, a character death is an actual plot point. The way in which he dies would be a visual reference. Also I even said the Award Ceremony wasn’t a plot point so it’s a bit redundant to point that out.
And how is TFA any different?
Very.
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Thanks, that was helpful.
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APPARENTLY VERY ANSWERS HOW NOW
HOW EMBARASSING
And how is TFA any different?
Though I recognize TFA is not exactly like ANH, unlike for the PT it took references and rehashed plot points to the extreme. There are visual references everywhere, and they are much more evident than in the PT (like Jakku looking exactly like Tatooine).
To this, there are WAY more rehashed plot points, and this time for no actual reason at all:
-a droid carries important data;
-the one who got the data, later gets captured (were they trying to compare Poes’s journey to Leia’s? For what reason? 😄 )
-the droid gets on a desert planet that looks almost exactly like Tatooine;
-the main protagonists have to escape this planet while chased by the empire/FO;
-the Falcon is caught in a tractor beam;
-the old man examines the droid’s data (for what reason Han has to mirror Ben?);
-the empire/FO is lead by a hooded darkside user;
-they have to destroy the DS/SKB, destroying its weak spot;
-but they first have to shut down its shield generator;
-one of the main charcters is captured AND interrogated EXACTLY in the same base they were to destroy (don’t tell me J.J. wanted to mirror Rey’s journey to Leia’s, again for what reason? 😄 );
-the old man is killed by the main villain (again, why Han has to mirror Ben?);
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
We will never know I guess. It could have even been better. Not that it would take a lot as TFA is quite average.
SO ITS GONE FROM AVERAGE TO HORRENDOUS IN JUST UNDER ONE MONTH
HOW EMBARRASSING
And how is TFA any different?
Though I recognize TFA is not exactly like ANH, unlike for the PT it took references and rehashed plot points to the extreme. There are visual references everywhere, and they are much more evident than in the PT (like Jakku looking exactly like Tatooine).
And the PT taking place right on Tatooine is acceptable because it mirrors Luke’s journey? Why can’t TFA mirror Luke’s journey?
To this, there are WAY more rehashed plot points, and this time for no actual reason at all:
-a droid carries important data;
-the one who got the data, later gets captured (were they trying to compare Poes’s journey to Leia’s? For what reason? 😄 )
-the droid gets on a desert planet that looks almost exactly like Tatooine;
-the main protagonists have to escape this planet while chased by the empire/FO;
Luke’s journey etc.
-the Falcon is caught in a tractor beam;
Completely different situation.
-the old man examines the droid’s data (for what reason Han has to mirror Ben?);
Han’s now a father, so making him a father figure to Rey establishes this character trait.
-the empire/FO is lead by a hooded darkside user;
By this point, that’s pretty much a prerequisite for Star Wars. Had it been otherwise, people would have bitched about it, too.
-they have to destroy the DS/SKB, destroying its weak spot;
-but they first have to shut down its shield generator;
The only valid point here.
-one of the main charcters is captured AND interrogated EXACTLY in the same base they were to destroy (don’t tell me J.J. wanted to mirror Rey’s journey to Leia’s, again for what reason? 😄 );
Why not?
-the old man is killed by the main villain (again, why Han has to mirror Ben?);
see above.
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Funny thing is when I tell someone that Rey and Finn stealing the Millennium Falcon and flying through the desert and even inside a crashed Star Destroyer is different from how the escape from Tatooine played out in STAR WARS they don’t want to hear that shit.
We can apply your post to a great many things in TFA.
Besides the fact it plays on the planet, it has so many references you could say it’s almost a 1:1 shot-by-shot remake of the Falcon’s escape from the DS (I think someone also posted a gif depicting this).
Reference to Luke’s journey, the reason the PT itself exists: to show us how Anakin and Luke were alike, yet different. We already knew he had a robotic hand since ROTJ (which was shown exactly for the same reason), so he kind of had to tell us how it did happen 😄
That’s true but it didn’t necessarily have to happen by the hands of a Sith Lord in the second movie to which our hero defeats him in the third one in front of Palpatine.
Right, but for Luke and Anakin journeys to mirror the way I said, it necessarily had to.
A Jedi finds a Force Sensitive on a desert planet and takes him off world to train in the ways of the Force
Other references to Luke’s journey.
It’s still less original than what happens in TFA regarding Rey being noticed as a Force Sensitive.
TFA had no reason to make Rey’s journey to Luke’s, though, so it’s fine.
This Jedi is then killed later in the film by a Sith Lord in front of our hero/s
Award ceremony at the end (not really a plot point but an overt parallel nonetheless)
No, a character death is an actual plot point. The way in which he dies would be a visual reference. Also I even said the Award Ceremony wasn’t a plot point so it’s a bit redundant to point that out.
Except for the “NOOO” 😄 visual reference, it didn’t affect the plot the same way, so I’m not sure it’s actually rehashed: Luke is still an apprentice and now without a master, Obi-wan is already a Jedi Knight and has no need for more training (actually, he is the one who has to train now).
EDIT: Sorry, I have to go to dinner now, but I’ll come back later to reply you.
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TFA had no reason to make Rey’s journey to Luke’s, though, so it’s fine.
The prequels didn’t have any reason to exactly mirror Luke’s journey, either.
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