Imagine there is a terminally ill cancer patient who is approaching death. A doctor says, “The patient’s suffering is so intense that he is no longer fighting death. He has lost the will to live.”
Nobody would interpret the last sentence to mean that the loss of the will to live was the cause of patient’s death. In such a scenario, the loss of the will to live would be a side effect of intense pain and suffering and a sign that death is near.
Imagine there is a terminally ill cancer patient who is approaching death. A doctor says, “The patient’s suffering is so intense that he is no longer fighting death. He has lost the will to live.”
Nobody would interpret the last sentence to mean that the loss of the will to live was the cause of patient’s death. In such a scenario, the loss of the will to live would be a side effect of intense pain and suffering and a sign that death is near.
“For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her…well, except for the cancer…and Palpatine sucking her life out of her.”
“That’s not how X works” has made it into my everyday conversations, and will feature heavily in the ROT.
Considering Han Solo was never trained as a Jedi (and neither was Leia), how exactly does he know how the Force does or does not work?
Excellent point! Which raises the further question of how I know the Force doesn’t work that way either, given I was never trained in it.
I mean really, this might be one of the silliest complaints I’ve ever heard about TFA, and that’s saying something.
It was a bad joke that made no sense.
FINN: We’ll use the Force.
HAN: That’s not how the Force works!
So the Force doesn’t work by being used? I thought you had to use the Force in order for it to work. Or is it possible for the Force to work without someone using it? Han’s statement is a nonsensical retort.
It is not funny at all. It is a stupid retort.
“That’s not how X works” has made it into my everyday conversations, and will feature heavily in the ROT.
Considering Han Solo was never trained as a Jedi (and neither was Leia), how exactly does he know how the Force does or does not work?
Excellent point! Which raises the further question of how I know the Force doesn’t work that way either, given I was never trained in it.
I mean really, this might be one of the silliest complaints I’ve ever heard about TFA, and that’s saying something.
It was a bad joke that made no sense.
FINN: We’ll use the Force.
HAN: That’s not how the Force works!So the Force doesn’t work by being used? I thought you had to use the Force in order for it to work. Or is it possible for the Force to work without someone using it?
How would you know how the Force works? You weren’t trained as a Jedi.
Also it’s clear you simply don’t understand the joke. Finn thinks you can do anything with the Force…but you can’t. You certainly can’t just “use the Force” to disable the Starkiller’s shields. Suggesting something so ridiculous is funny, and Han’s line is simply the punchline.
The context is about the plan. Finn’s plan is to use the Force to come up with a plan. That is indeed, not how the Force works.
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The context is about the plan. Finn’s plan is to use the Force to come up with a plan. That is indeed, not how the Force works.
Unless you can show us your Jedi Trainee Card your opinion on this matter is worthless.
(although you’re right about him wanting to use it specifically to come up with a plan, I forgot about that)
If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
A natural response when you have two newborns? Padme was a bitch then with no care for the two helpless young children that would be left without a mother just because she cares more about someone she knew was a psycho all along. Nothing supernatural about it either, no matter what stupid theories fans like to come up with. Lucas himself said that she died of a broken heart and lost the will to live, so there’s the official explanation - Padme really was a selfish bitch.
When you have children of your own you realise just how much you will fight for them no matter what you have been through. There is no way you would leave them parentless.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
The droid says she is completely healthy and the only thing mentioned is her losing the will to live. Nowhere does it point to any supernatural cause, thats just fanwank. And were we watching the same film? Vader doesn’t die so his heart never stops beating so how could his heart start beating again?
So you would have preferred for Padmé to have survived and said, “I will take Leia and live with her on Alderaan. I don’t care about Luke though. He can go live with his aunt and uncle on Tatooine”?
If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
A natural response when you have two newborns? Padme was a bitch then with no care for the two helpless young children that would be left without a mother just because she cares more about someone she knew was a psycho all along. Nothing supernatural about it either, no matter what stupid theories fans like to come up with. Lucas himself said that she died of a broken heart and lost the will to live, so there’s the official explanation - Padme really was a selfish bitch.
When you have children of your own you realise just how much you will fight for them no matter what you have been through. There is no way you would leave them parentless.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
The droid says she is completely healthy and the only thing mentioned is her losing the will to live. Nowhere does it point to any supernatural cause, thats just fanwank. And were we watching the same film? Vader doesn’t die so his heart never stops beating so how could his heart start beating again?
So you would have preferred for Padmé to have survived and said, “I will take Leia and live with her on Alderaan. I don’t care about Luke though. He can go live with his aunt and uncle on Tatooine”?
I think some continuity would be preferred. it doesn’t have to be the option you presented. If George Lucas had this all mapped out i wouldn’t have to figure out a way to preserve continuity.
If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
A natural response when you have two newborns? Padme was a bitch then with no care for the two helpless young children that would be left without a mother just because she cares more about someone she knew was a psycho all along. Nothing supernatural about it either, no matter what stupid theories fans like to come up with. Lucas himself said that she died of a broken heart and lost the will to live, so there’s the official explanation - Padme really was a selfish bitch.
When you have children of your own you realise just how much you will fight for them no matter what you have been through. There is no way you would leave them parentless.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
The droid says she is completely healthy and the only thing mentioned is her losing the will to live. Nowhere does it point to any supernatural cause, thats just fanwank. And were we watching the same film? Vader doesn’t die so his heart never stops beating so how could his heart start beating again?
So you would have preferred for Padmé to have survived and said, “I will take Leia and live with her on Alderaan. I don’t care about Luke though. He can go live with his aunt and uncle on Tatooine”?
Well, it does make a lot of sense to separate them. They’d both be very valuable to the Empire if they should ever learn their true identity, so having them both in the same place could be potentially disastrous. She wouldn’t have abandoned Luke, but rather left him in the care of a trusted friend for his own safety. This is still technically what happened in the current post-PT canon, Yoda and Obi-Wan decided to separate them for their own safety, with the intention of re-uniting them at some point hen they were older.
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Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.
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Imagine there is a terminally ill cancer patient who is approaching death. A doctor says, “The patient’s suffering is so intense that he is no longer fighting death. He has lost the will to live.”
Nobody would interpret the last sentence to mean that the loss of the will to live was the cause of patient’s death. In such a scenario, the loss of the will to live would be a side effect of intense pain and suffering and a sign that death is near.
“For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her…well, except for the cancer…and Palpatine sucking her life out of her.”
ALLOL! You should try to incorporate that into Revenge of the Ridiculousness.
Imagine there is a terminally ill cancer patient who is approaching death. A doctor says, “The patient’s suffering is so intense that he is no longer fighting death. He has lost the will to live.”
Nobody would interpret the last sentence to mean that the loss of the will to live was the cause of patient’s death. In such a scenario, the loss of the will to live would be a side effect of intense pain and suffering and a sign that death is near.
“For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her…well, except for the cancer…and Palpatine sucking her life out of her.”
Obviously, the medical droid knew nothing about Palpatine. The terminally ill cancer patient was only an analogy.
George Lucas purposefully left Padmé’s death open to interpretation.
You could say she died of complications in pregnancy.
You could say she died as a result of Palpatine.
You could say she died as a result of the will of the Force.
Personally, I like the way Padmé’s death was handled. I wish that George Lucas had cut the line, “She has lost the will to live,” and Darth Vader’s “No!”
But it was still a great scene.
Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.
That would take too much screen time after the climax. That would take a whole other movie. Also, why would she leave Luke with Owen and Beru if she was still alive. Why wouldn’t she want to raise both of her children herself?
If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
A natural response when you have two newborns? Padme was a bitch then with no care for the two helpless young children that would be left without a mother just because she cares more about someone she knew was a psycho all along. Nothing supernatural about it either, no matter what stupid theories fans like to come up with. Lucas himself said that she died of a broken heart and lost the will to live, so there’s the official explanation - Padme really was a selfish bitch.
When you have children of your own you realise just how much you will fight for them no matter what you have been through. There is no way you would leave them parentless.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
The droid says she is completely healthy and the only thing mentioned is her losing the will to live. Nowhere does it point to any supernatural cause, thats just fanwank. And were we watching the same film? Vader doesn’t die so his heart never stops beating so how could his heart start beating again?
So you would have preferred for Padmé to have survived and said, “I will take Leia and live with her on Alderaan. I don’t care about Luke though. He can go live with his aunt and uncle on Tatooine”?
Well, it does make a lot of sense to separate them. They’d both be very valuable to the Empire if they should ever learn their true identity, so having them both in the same place could be potentially disastrous. She wouldn’t have abandoned Luke, but rather left him in the care of a trusted friend for his own safety. This is still technically what happened in the current post-PT canon, Yoda and Obi-Wan decided to separate them for their own safety, with the intention of re-uniting them at some point when they were older.
It would make logical sense to separate them, but it would not make emotional sense for a new mother. If Padmé was still alive, she never would have agreed to that. It would have been out of character.
Scott109 said:
You could say she died of complications in pregnancy.
Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
You could say she died as a result of the will of the Force.
Which translates to “She died because reasons”
If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
A natural response when you have two newborns? Padme was a bitch then with no care for the two helpless young children that would be left without a mother just because she cares more about someone she knew was a psycho all along. Nothing supernatural about it either, no matter what stupid theories fans like to come up with. Lucas himself said that she died of a broken heart and lost the will to live, so there’s the official explanation - Padme really was a selfish bitch.
When you have children of your own you realise just how much you will fight for them no matter what you have been through. There is no way you would leave them parentless.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
The droid says she is completely healthy and the only thing mentioned is her losing the will to live. Nowhere does it point to any supernatural cause, thats just fanwank. And were we watching the same film? Vader doesn’t die so his heart never stops beating so how could his heart start beating again?
So you would have preferred for Padmé to have survived and said, “I will take Leia and live with her on Alderaan. I don’t care about Luke though. He can go live with his aunt and uncle on Tatooine”?
Well, it does make a lot of sense to separate them. They’d both be very valuable to the Empire if they should ever learn their true identity, so having them both in the same place could be potentially disastrous. She wouldn’t have abandoned Luke, but rather left him in the care of a trusted friend for his own safety. This is still technically what happened in the current post-PT canon, Yoda and Obi-Wan decided to separate them for their own safety, with the intention of re-uniting them at some point when they were older.
It would make logical sense to separate them, but it would not make emotional sense for a new mother. If Padmé was still alive, she never would have agreed to that. It would have been out of character.
How is it out of character for a senator? that is about all we know of her character.
Scott109 said:
You could say she died of complications in pregnancy.Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
You could say she died as a result of the will of the Force.
Which translates to “She died because reasons”
Technically “will of the Force” translates to “died because lack of reasons.”
“That’s not how X works” has made it into my everyday conversations, and will feature heavily in the ROT.
Considering Han Solo was never trained as a Jedi (and neither was Leia), how exactly does he know how the Force does or does not work?
Excellent point! Which raises the further question of how I know the Force doesn’t work that way either, given I was never trained in it.
I mean really, this might be one of the silliest complaints I’ve ever heard about TFA, and that’s saying something.
It was a bad joke that made no sense.
FINN: We’ll use the Force.
HAN: That’s not how the Force works!So the Force doesn’t work by being used? I thought you had to use the Force in order for it to work. Or is it possible for the Force to work without someone using it?
How would you know how the Force works? You weren’t trained as a Jedi.
Also it’s clear you simply don’t understand the joke. Finn thinks you can do anything with the Force…but you can’t. You certainly can’t just “use the Force” to disable the Starkiller’s shields. Suggesting something so ridiculous is funny, and Han’s line is simply the punchline.
Or Finn could have meant that he would use the Force to get past security and turn off the shield generator, or Finn could have meant any number of other things. The dialogue was unclear.
And why couldn’t someone use the Force to turn off the shield generator? Are the ship’s controls somehow Force-resistant?
Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.
That would take too much screen time after the climax. That would take a whole other movie. Also, why would she leave Luke with Owen and Beru if she was still alive. Why wouldn’t she want to raise both of her children herself?
How so? Put her into the discussion scene on the blockade runner, where Yoda convinces her separating the twins is a good idea, and to let the galaxy think she has died. Padme tearfully agrees, as the situation is too dangerous to keep them together right now. She realizes Tatooine would be a good place to hide Luke, at least until he’s older and can start training. (She’s already met the Lars.) She requests Obi Wan to watch over Luke.’
Padme’s death doesn’t have to be explained on screen, as Leia already stated she died when Leia was very young.
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She realizes Tatooine would be a good place to hide Luke, at least until he’s older and can start training. (She’s already met the Lars.)
Also, she knows Anakin would never look that because he hates sand.
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Or Finn could have meant that he would use the Force to get past security and turn off the shield generator, or Finn could have meant any number of other things. The dialogue was unclear.
HAN
Sanitation? Then how do you know
how to disable the shields?
FINN
I don't. I'm just here to get Rey.
HAN
People are counting on us! The galaxy
is counting on us--!
FINN
Solo, we'll figure it out! We'll
use the Force!
HAN
That's not how the Force works--!
And why couldn’t someone use the Force to turn off the shield generator? Are the ship’s controls somehow Force-resistant?
There is a difference between a Jedi and someone who says “I don’t know how to turn off the shields, let’s use the force!”
TV’s Frink said:
HAN
Sanitation? Then how do you know
how to disable the shields?FINN I don't. I'm just here to get Rey. HAN People are counting on us! The galaxy is counting on us--! FINN Solo, we'll figure it out! We'll use the Force! HAN That's not how the Force works--!
I smiled while reading that
TV’s Frink said:
HAN
Sanitation? Then how do you know
how to disable the shields?FINN I don't. I'm just here to get Rey. HAN People are counting on us! The galaxy is counting on us--! FINN Solo, we'll figure it out! We'll use the Force! HAN That's not how the Force works--!I smiled while reading that
I don’t know why, the dialogue is very unclear.
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Hey wait, perhaps Finn meant that Padme died from complications in pregnancy!
TV’s Frink said:
I don’t know why, the dialogue is very unclear.
I like that interaction. It has nothing to do with the argument.