Looks like someone from Young Indy helped write AOTC, but judging by the dialogue I suspect that most of it came from Lucas.
The Person in Question
You had better mind your manners. Post helpful facts if you want to correct someone next time.
While I agree they were not my usual utmost good manners, there certainly wasn’t anything offensive about it. The description I used was correct to describe his claim.
真実
Looks like someone from Young Indy helped write AOTC, but judging by the dialogue I suspect that most of it came from Lucas.
Since AOTC has worse dialogue than TPM and ROTS, the assumption could be opposite.
真実
You had better mind your manners. Post helpful facts if you want to correct someone next time.
While I agree they were not my usual utmost good manners, there certainly wasn’t anything offensive about it. The description I used was correct to describe his claim.
PLEASE KEEP POKING THE MODERATOR BEAR…WOOKIEE.
Okay, so someone above had the silly notion that he used his ideas planned for the sequesl in ROTJ. Quite wrong. It is pretty obvious from reading all the drafts that ROTJ just expanded on the very shortened epic battle Lucas had planned originally. Basically Luke’s training and Bespin, and then all the stuff on Endor would flesh out what was truncated into the Falcon training, the Death Star scenes, and the final battle (which would have been a surface and space battle). Lucas has said as much many times.
The only hint I’ve ever heard was from Mark Hamill who asked if he would want to come back as Luke in 30 years and play the Ben character in a new trilogy. Outside of that I have never heard anything credible.
I think had Lucas done the ST that it would turn out different than the PT. A lot of the PT’s problems are with the basic story. Political stories like that just aren’t as popular. I think his vision of the PT was always going to be inferior to the original because it is less epic and more involved. The PT would have been better if he had brought in a good dialog writer to co-write the scripts.
The ST might have a more epic and interesting story, but I think it would have suffered from the same writing mistakes that plague the PT. It would have had Luke, Han, Leia, Chewy, Threepio and R2 and it would be hard to screw them up so I think the GL ST would have turned out better than the PT, but not as good at the OT.
I think the best scenario would have been to take his story ideas for the ST and turn them over to competent writers to execute. Keep his arcs, fix his characters and the details and continuity of his plots and I think it would have been fantastic. I think some of the biggest mistakes in TFA are that they played it too safe. They hired a director who would hold true to the fan image of the OT and they hired the TESB and ROTJ screenwriter (who did not come up with the stories - Kasdan cold have done miracles with the PT). Between them they came up with an acceptable plot, but one that relies on some of the tropes of the first film (though I think they managed to tell a very different story with them). I think GL’s story ideas would have given us the more typical 3 separate stories that form a trilogy instead of the second almost being a continuation of the first.
You had better mind your manners. Post helpful facts if you want to correct someone next time.
usual utmost good manners.
Jack the Ripper had better manners than you.
The Person in Question
because you’re terrible at it.
In archaic meaning of “terrible”.
No I think
terrible
adjective
- distressing; severe:
2.extremely bad; horrible
- exciting terror, awe, or great fear; dreadful; awful.
is what he was going for. I might be wrong though.
You got it!
The Person in Question
Imagine TFA, but with Jaden Smith cast as Finn and Miley Cyrus’s little sister cast as Rey.
Also imagine lots more plot holes, replace all the good humor with cringe inducing toddler potty humor, and eliminate any traces of darkness for the majority of the film except have a drastic shift in tone towards the end in which Kylo Ren goes on a child-slaughtering rampage and is then burned in a graphic sequence. Only to be recovered by Snoke and become Darth Vader II.
I did not think that any of the humor in The Force Awakens was funny in the slightest other than the following quote from the film:
REY: I’ve never seen a resistance fighter before.
FINN: Well, this is what we look like. Some of us. Others look different.
The rest of the jokes were so terrible they were cringeworthy - not nearly as bad as the slapstick Jar Jar Binks humor in The Force Awakens, but cringeworthy nonetheless. The humor in any other Star Wars movie was way better.
POE: “Who talks first? You talk first? I talk first?”
FINN: “Okay, stay calm. Stay calm.”
POE: “I am calm.”
FINN: “I was talking to myself.”
FINN: “We’ll use the Force”
HAN: “That’s not how the Force works!”
HAN: “Is there a garbage chute…or trash compactor?”
REY: This is the ship that made the Kessel Run in fourteen parsecs?
SOLO: TWELVE! (Mumbling in irritation) fourteen…
The last quote in particular is a terrible joke which makes absolutely no sense. A parsec is a unit of space, not a unit of time. Saying “this is the ship that made the Kessel Run in fourteen parsecs” is as stupid as saying “this is the athlete who is so fast he finished the race in five miles.” J. J. Abrams just had to reference the most cringeworthy line of the Original Trilogy. Rey should not have any idea who Han Solo is or what the Millenium Falcon is. Han Solo was not a general in the Original Trilogy; he was merely a common smuggler who became a part of the Rebel Alliance. Everybody calls the Millenium Falcon a piece of garbage, so why would it be famous throughout the galaxy? This scene made me cringe at so many levels.
Scott109 said:
I did not think that any of the humor in The Force Awakens was funny in the slightest other than the following quote from the film:
Scott109 said:
REY: I’ve never seen a resistance fighter before.
FINN: Well, this is what we look like. Some of us. Others look different.
Those were one of the jokes I kind of like but is something I think they went a bit too far with.
The rest of the jokes were so terrible they were cringeworthy - not nearly as bad as the slapstick Jar Jar Binks humor in The Force Awakens, but cringeworthy nonetheless. The humor in any other Star Wars movie was way better.
POE: “Who talks first? You talk first? I talk first?”
lol what? It was a guaranteed laugh at every theater I went to. Just like the BB-8 thumbs up bit.
Rey should not have any idea who Han Solo is or what the Millenium Falcon is.
You do know of the phenomenon called “word of mouth”? Right?
The humor in any other Star Wars movie was way better.
Words…failing to come to me…
Imagine TFA, but with Jaden Smith cast as Finn and Miley Cyrus’s little sister cast as Rey.
Also imagine lots more plot holes, replace all the good humor with cringe inducing toddler potty humor, and eliminate any traces of darkness for the majority of the film except have a drastic shift in tone towards the end in which Kylo Ren goes on a child-slaughtering rampage and is then burned in a graphic sequence. Only to be recovered by Snoke and become Darth Vader II.
I did not think that any of the humor in The Force Awakens was funny in the slightest other than the following quote from the film:
REY: I’ve never seen a resistance fighter before.
FINN: Well, this is what we look like. Some of us. Others look different.The rest of the jokes were so terrible they were cringeworthy - not nearly as bad as the slapstick Jar Jar Binks humor in The Force Awakens, but cringeworthy nonetheless. The humor in any other Star Wars movie was way better.
POE: “Who talks first? You talk first? I talk first?”
That line was great. Poe’s a confident Resistance fighter. He doesn’t have any respect for the First Order, and making snide remarks to their leader makes for a good moment to really show it.
FINN: “We’ll use the Force”
HAN: “That’s not how the Force works!”
That line was awesome!
HAN: “Is there a garbage chute…or trash compactor?”
Honestly, I kinda agree. I mean I didn’t think it was awful, just felt weird.
REY: This is the ship that made the Kessel Run in fourteen parsecs?
SOLO: TWELVE! (Mumbling in irritation) fourteen…The last quote in particular is a terrible joke which makes absolutely no sense. A parsec is a unit of space, not a unit of time. Saying “this is the ship that made the Kessel Run in fourteen parsecs” is as stupid as saying “this is the athlete who is so fast he finished the race in five miles.” J. J. Abrams just had to reference the most cringeworthy line of the Original Trilogy.
.*Iconic
Rey should not have any idea who Han Solo is or what the Millenium Falcon is. Han Solo was not a general in the Original Trilogy; he was merely a common smuggler who became a part of the Rebel Alliance.
When Rey meets Han, she doesn’t know about his partnership with the Rebellion and only knows him for smuggling.
Everybody calls the Millenium Falcon a piece of garbage, so why would it be famous throughout the galaxy? This scene made me cringe at so many levels.
They’ve probably heard of the Falcon and just don’t know what it looks like. I doubt it’s the kinda thing most people would just have pictures of downloaded to their droids.
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“That’s not how X works” has made it into my everyday conversations, and will feature heavily in the ROT.
e.g. Xample
“That’s not how X works”
VIZ TOP TIPS! - PARENTS. Impress your children by showing them a floppy disk and telling them it’s a 3D model of a save icon.
Pretty sure Han was called a General in ROTJ. And why would Rey not know the name of the guy who helped defeat the Empire in the battle of Endor? It’s history.
Where were you in '77?
The only joke I’ve ever used from the PT in a social situation is the “I don’t like X” joke
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Pretty sure Han was called a General in ROTJ. And why would should not know the name of the guy who helped defeat the Empire in the battle of Endor? It’s history.
Well that information may not be privy to people or isn’t distinguishable from rumors on a backwater planet like Jakku.
Rey seems to idolize the Rebels. She pretends to be an X Wing pilot, (donning an old OT era helmet) and has a crude doll of a pilot. She clearly knows something of galactic history. Not to mention the wreckage of a major battle is all around her. There has to be a databank or two she’s found as a scavenger.
Even Luke living on a poodoo hole like Tatooine knew about the Clone Wars.
Where were you in '77?
Rey seems to idolize the Rebels. She pretends to be an X Wing pilot, (donning an old OT era helmet) and has a crude doll of a pilot. She clearly knows something of galactic history. Not to mention the wreckage of a major battle is all around her. There has to be a databank or two she’s found as a scavenger.
Even Luke living on a poodoo hole like Tatooine knew about the Clone Wars.
And Rey knows about Luke but think he’s a myth. The accounts of the Rebellion she has heard are inconsistent to say the least.
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I’m glad I’m not the only one who uses the term “poodoo” here outside of the Jabba line 😃
Pretty sure Han was called a General in ROTJ. And why would Rey not know the name of the guy who helped defeat the Empire in the battle of Endor? It’s history.
Does the film actually say she doesn’t know Han fought in the rebellion? She is just way more impressed with his smuggling/piloting fame/infamy in the scene where they meet…
Rey: This is the Millennium Falcon. You’re Han Solo!
Han: I used to be
Finn: Han Solo the Rebellion General?
Rey: No…The smuggler.
Finn: Wasn’t he a war hero?
Rey: This is the ship that made the Kessel Run in 14 parsecs.
VIZ TOP TIPS! - PARENTS. Impress your children by showing them a floppy disk and telling them it’s a 3D model of a save icon.
I have to say, I didn’t find a lot of the humor in TFA very funny, and the ‘14 parsecs’ line bothered me a lot.
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Dek Rollins said:
and the ‘14 parsecs’ line bothered me a lot.
I think we can all agree on that one. It was definitely the most shoehorned in reference to STAR WARS.
It’s part of the Falcon’s legend. (And Han was always a bit of a B.S. artist.) That it’s inaccurate is beside the point.
Where were you in '77?
Dek Rollins said:
and the ‘14 parsecs’ line bothered me a lot.I think we can all agree on that one.
Nope. I had zero issue with any of the OT references.
It’s part of the Falcon’s legend. (And Han was always a bit of a B.S. artist.) That it’s inaccurate is beside the point.
But it feels like their just crapping on the original scene, and what it meant. I don’t think it should be part of the Falcons ‘legend’. Everything Han said in that scene was just talking up his ship to make it seem worth the price he would demand to fly them. Everything he said there should’ve been crap he pulled of the top of his head to fast talk this old man and this kid that needed a ship.
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
It’s part of the Falcon’s legend. (And Han was always a bit of a B.S. artist.) That it’s inaccurate is beside the point.
But it feels like their just crapping on the original scene, and what it meant. I don’t think it should be part of the Falcons ‘legend’. Everything Han said in that scene was just talking up his ship to make it seem worth the price he would demand to fly them. Everything he said there should’ve been crap he pulled of the top of his head to fast talk this old man and this kid that needed a ship.
That’s an interesting perspective but that being a bunch of BS just to rake in some cash is just your inference.