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Hoth-Nudist said:

Im sure the development of Lucas sequal story and characters would first revolve around his typical master plan of merchandising. The writing and execution would again, be a hack job of some sort, possibly referencing more flash gordon serials, involve massive procrastination up to the minute of filming and thus suck salty donkey biscuits! In his post film interviews Lucas would again deflect any criticism and defend his right to do the film his way, tell fans to grow up and justify mcguffins, while scarfing a big-mac and wiping special sauce off his beard.

You’re not making sense dude

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moviefreakedmind said:

John Doom said:

TFA alone may have (almost deliberately) lost in originality to the PT.

Keep in mind that originality is not inherently a good thing. Confusing and bad originality (as seen in the PT) is meaningless in my opinion, no matter how original it was.

The PT had lots of good fresh new concepts (clones, the council, new worlds, the Sith, Dooku, …). Some of them were badly executed (Jar-jar, the Trade Federation, Jango Fett, …), but GL could’ve improved them if advised by good writers like Kasdan.
Especially since we have already six episodes behind, to me originality is just as important as execution: honestly, I can hardly watch TFA’s second half about the SKB, just like with the PT, even though TFA is mostly well directed.

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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John Doom said:

moviefreakedmind said:

John Doom said:

TFA alone may have (almost deliberately) lost in originality to the PT.

Keep in mind that originality is not inherently a good thing. Confusing and bad originality (as seen in the PT) is meaningless in my opinion, no matter how original it was.

The PT had lots of good fresh new concepts (clones, the council, new worlds, the Sith, Dooku, …). Some of them were badly executed (Jar-jar, the Trade Federation, Jango Fett, …), but GL could’ve improved them if advised by good writers like Kasdan.
Especially since we have already six episodes behind, to me originality is just as important as execution: honestly, I can hardly watch TFA’s second half about the SKB, just like with the PT, even though TFA is mostly well directed.

I think these disagree with you, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbBW-cWoAA_AzG.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbBW-fWEAAohSW.jpg Oh by the way Kasdan had tiny involvement with Empire it was always George.

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John Doom said:

The PT had lots of good fresh new concepts (clones, the council, new worlds, the Sith, Dooku, …).

Eh, the Sith weren’t really new when the PT came out. The novelizations and the EU had already prominently mentioned/featured them prior to TPM’s release.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

John Doom said:

The PT had lots of good fresh new concepts (clones, the council, new worlds, the Sith, Dooku, …).

Eh, the Sith weren’t really new when the PT came out. The novelizations and the EU had already prominently mentioned/featured them prior to TPM’s release.

They are a lot older than you think.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Eh, the Sith weren’t really new when the PT came out. The novelizations and the EU had already prominently mentioned/featured them prior to TPM’s release.

I know the novelizations called Vader the “dark lord of the Sith”, but I think its current meaning wasn’t officially revealed until TPM.
Were they in the pre-PT EU too? I admit I don’t know much about the EU except for a few comics and videogames, so please tell more about it.

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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John Doom said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Eh, the Sith weren’t really new when the PT came out. The novelizations and the EU had already prominently mentioned/featured them prior to TPM’s release.

I know the novelizations called Vader the “dark lord of the Sith”, but I think its current meaning wasn’t officially revealed until TPM.
Were they in the pre-PT EU too? I admit I don’t know much about the EU except for a few comics and videogames, so please tell more about it.

I could have sworn the Thrawn Trilogy called Vader a Dark Jedi. It’s been a while since I read it so don’t quote me on that.

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Don’t worry about this, a friend of mine might know of some Lucas sequel ideas

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Lord Haseo said:

Something Something said:

Don’t worry about this, a friend of mine might know of some Lucas sequel ideas

And how exactly would he be privy to such information?

I don’t know maybe he used to work with Lucasfilm, I’m just guessing so who knows? But if he shows Lucas ideas for the sequels I’ll be happy to show them here

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Oh, please.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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John Doom said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Eh, the Sith weren’t really new when the PT came out. The novelizations and the EU had already prominently mentioned/featured them prior to TPM’s release.

I know the novelizations called Vader the “dark lord of the Sith”, but I think its current meaning wasn’t officially revealed until TPM.
Were they in the pre-PT EU too? I admit I don’t know much about the EU except for a few comics and videogames, so please tell more about it.

Wel, the EU did have the Tales of the Jedi comics in the early/mid 90’s. I haven’t read these myself, but from what I’ve gathered part of the series dealt with the Sith War that took place several thousand years before the PT/OT.

Also keep in mind that the early drafts of ANH did mention the "Knights of the Sith" fairly often. The first/rough draft even had several Sith appear throughout the story, and they were essentially just rivals of the Jedi Knights not too different from what ended up in the PT.
The more “evil” and “occult” aspects of them however I think started with the PT, but like I said I haven’t actually read the Tales of the Jedi comics. In the rough draft however they weren’t so much “evil wizards” as they were simply a fascist sect of Jedi-Bendu.

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
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Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Eh, the Sith weren’t really new when the PT came out. The novelizations and the EU had already prominently mentioned/featured them prior to TPM’s release.

I know the novelizations called Vader the “dark lord of the Sith”, but I think its current meaning wasn’t officially revealed until TPM.
Were they in the pre-PT EU too? I admit I don’t know much about the EU except for a few comics and videogames, so please tell more about it.

I could have sworn the Thrawn Trilogy called Vader a Dark Jedi. It’s been a while since I read it so don’t quote me on that.

You’re probably thinking about Joruus C’baoth.
(He was a Jedi turned evil/mad, but he was never affiliated with the Sith so he was simply referred to as either a Jedi or Dark Jedi in the trilogy.)

However, I never really understood what made Vader and Palpatine Sith, even more so after the PT. Neither of the act very Sith-ish, maybe Palpatine to some degree, but definitely not Vader. The again, I haven’t read any PT material in 10 years so I wouldn’t really know what makes a Sith a Sith. I do however feel that they both fit very ell into the definition of Dark Jedi (especially Vader).

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novels.

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Lord Haseo said:

Nothing is wrong with a teenage protagonist but a child one is more worrisome due to “good” child actors being so rare.

Problem with teens is, they are in puberty. If their voice changes mid-shoot, it will be a big setback, because for continuity sake, they’ll need to redub, or sometimes even reshoot old scenes. This happened in Terminator 2.

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John Doom said:

moviefreakedmind said:

John Doom said:

TFA alone may have (almost deliberately) lost in originality to the PT.

Keep in mind that originality is not inherently a good thing. Confusing and bad originality (as seen in the PT) is meaningless in my opinion, no matter how original it was.

The PT had lots of good fresh new concepts (clones, the council, new worlds, the Sith, Dooku, …). Some of them were badly executed (Jar-jar, the Trade Federation, Jango Fett, …), but GL could’ve improved them if advised by good writers like Kasdan.
Especially since we have already six episodes behind, to me originality is just as important as execution: honestly, I can hardly watch TFA’s second half about the SKB, just like with the PT, even though TFA is mostly well directed.

I don’t think George would have ever allowed anyone else to write his films again. He (for some reason) felt the need to write all three of the prequels without assistance, and I believe he would have done the same had he made the sequels.

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moviefreakedmind said:

He (for some reason) felt the need to write all three of the prequels without assistance

You better get your facts straight before you say stupid stuff.

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imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

He (for some reason) felt the need to write all three of the prequels without assistance

You better get your facts straight before you say stupid stuff.

You’re coming across extra loathsome today.

EDIT: Given that the prequels writing is credited to Lucas and Lucas alone, I think it’s safe to say that he did not take significant input from real writers.

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moviefreakedmind said:

imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

He (for some reason) felt the need to write all three of the prequels without assistance

You better get your facts straight before you say stupid stuff.

You’re coming across extra loathsome today.

Don’t flatter yourself. I am merely doing my usual job - correcting people who are wrong.

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imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

He (for some reason) felt the need to write all three of the prequels without assistance

You better get your facts straight before you say stupid stuff.

You’re coming across extra loathsome today.

Don’t flatter yourself. I am merely doing my usual job - correcting people who are wrong.

If that were your actual job you’d have been fired by now, because you’re terrible at it.

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imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

He (for some reason) felt the need to write all three of the prequels without assistance

You better get your facts straight before you say stupid stuff.

You had better mind your manners. Post helpful facts if you want to correct someone next time.

Where were you in '77?

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moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think George would have ever allowed anyone else to write his films again. He (for some reason) felt the need to write all three of the prequels without assistance, and I believe he would have done the same had he made the sequels.

Going by the IMDB, AOTC has a co writer listed.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121765/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_wr#writers

Carrie Fisher was mentioned somewhere as helping out with a prequel script, (she has been a script doctor for many years) but I can’t recall where I saw it.

Where were you in '77?