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Marioxb you are the first and maybe the last person to explain how you like the special editions more and validate all your points that I havnt felt like slapping, so for that, I award you a million points and a large plate of jelly, enjoy :-D
One question though, do you fully understand what Haydens doing there at the end of Jedi, because Ive heard a few reasons and they diddnt seem to make much sense, I was just wondering what your thoughts were?
Also do you (or anyone else for that matter) know if theres truth in the rumor that george lucas diddnt ask or tell Hayden Christensen that he was putting him in scene, and he just used footage from his screen test to do it?
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Originally posted by: Mikes-Atomic-Dustbin
Also do you (or anyone else for that matter) know if theres truth in the rumor that george lucas diddnt ask or tell Hayden Christensen that he was putting him in scene, and he just used footage from his screen test to do it?
Also do you (or anyone else for that matter) know if theres truth in the rumor that george lucas diddnt ask or tell Hayden Christensen that he was putting him in scene, and he just used footage from his screen test to do it?
Supposedly, Hayden said in an interview that it was stock footage, and that he was unaware of it. But it has never really been confirmed officially...
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Originally posted by: marioxb
I feel that Anakin Skywalker and Mace Windu both died simultaniously. That is why the young Anakin ghost appears at the end of Jedi. He ceased being a Jedi at that moment and fully embrased the Dark Side and his new name, Darth Vader. I think his spirit went in "limbo" at that point, maybe helped by Qui Gon or something. He had little traces of good in him still as Darth Vader, but it wasn't until he saved his son at the end of RotJ that he redeemed himself and his spirit was set free. He had for the most part done no good as an old man, which is why the spirit appeared as it did.
I feel that Anakin Skywalker and Mace Windu both died simultaniously. That is why the young Anakin ghost appears at the end of Jedi. He ceased being a Jedi at that moment and fully embrased the Dark Side and his new name, Darth Vader. I think his spirit went in "limbo" at that point, maybe helped by Qui Gon or something. He had little traces of good in him still as Darth Vader, but it wasn't until he saved his son at the end of RotJ that he redeemed himself and his spirit was set free. He had for the most part done no good as an old man, which is why the spirit appeared as it did.
Yeah, he barely did do any good as an "old man," except that that was the point he redeemed himself, like you said, therefore becoming Anakin again. Geez, I've already typed this out before. I have to wade through your posts. The least you could do is address mine!
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Yeah, he barely did do any good as an "old man," except that that was the point he redeemed himself, like you said, therefore becoming Anakin again. Geez, I've already typed this out before. I have to wade through your posts. The least you could do is address mine!
Originally posted by: marioxb
I feel that Anakin Skywalker and Mace Windu both died simultaniously. That is why the young Anakin ghost appears at the end of Jedi. He ceased being a Jedi at that moment and fully embrased the Dark Side and his new name, Darth Vader. I think his spirit went in "limbo" at that point, maybe helped by Qui Gon or something. He had little traces of good in him still as Darth Vader, but it wasn't until he saved his son at the end of RotJ that he redeemed himself and his spirit was set free. He had for the most part done no good as an old man, which is why the spirit appeared as it did.
I feel that Anakin Skywalker and Mace Windu both died simultaniously. That is why the young Anakin ghost appears at the end of Jedi. He ceased being a Jedi at that moment and fully embrased the Dark Side and his new name, Darth Vader. I think his spirit went in "limbo" at that point, maybe helped by Qui Gon or something. He had little traces of good in him still as Darth Vader, but it wasn't until he saved his son at the end of RotJ that he redeemed himself and his spirit was set free. He had for the most part done no good as an old man, which is why the spirit appeared as it did.
Yeah, he barely did do any good as an "old man," except that that was the point he redeemed himself, like you said, therefore becoming Anakin again. Geez, I've already typed this out before. I have to wade through your posts. The least you could do is address mine!
Let me try to explain it better. Anakin didn't die, but the Jedi/ Force/ Midiclorians or whatever inside him left his body at that point. The force is kinda "alive" and it knew that it had better hightail itself outta Ani while it still had the chance. It could see that he had fully embraced the dark side and would wait around for him to redeem himself, which it knew would happen at some point.
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*scratches head*
I'm trying to fully understand what you're saying here.
so the light side of the Force and dark side arent the same Force? the Force knows if its good or bad and good Force wont be in a bad person?
So when Anakin 'died' in ROTS he didnt die but all the good Force was like "ok guys, he's gone bad, lets pack our bags and get out of here" (baby midiclorian) "do i need to take everything?" (mama midiclorian) "no, he'll be good again and we can return, just take what you need for about 25 years, and we'll just float around his head until then"
so then, when he redeems himself all the bad Force leaves and the good Force comes back? So there wasnt still good in him, there was good 'around' him. Guess its one of those point of view things.
the point you're (and anyone else that fails to see the problem with Hayden as the Force ghost) is that if he died at that point then he was never Anakin after he turned to Vader. When he redeemed himself he would have become Anakin again, so taking the death point of view he had to have been reborn. either way, Since Vader (Anakin) was undeniably good at the end, telling Luke he was right (right about 'There is still good in you') he would have become Anakin again, since he died shortly after, the last form Anakin would have been in would be the old/aged Anakin we see under the mask.
as a slight aside, if you wonder why in the Original he wasnt burnt and armless as a ghost its because the ghost shown was basically the old Anakin with all his wonds healed/removed. Like in Happy gilmore when Happy see's Chubb in his dream and he has his hand back.
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"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin
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some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say here.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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the prequels should have matched the originals... not the other way around
heres one very simple thing that George could have done....
In the end of ROTS it would have been simpler to have had Padme suffer from some fictional space-disease
and only live for a few months left. So she disguises herself and lives with the Organa familiy as a house cleaner or something.
And the whole Liea/rememberance thing would have made perfect sense.
But NOOO! They made her die... causing a total confusion and a plot-hole as to why Leia remembers her mom anyway....
stupid... practically stupid... so many things could have made more sense if George WATCHED the O-OT on video BEFORE making
The Prequels!
uhh.... sorry am I a bit farther from the topic? ehehe... sorry about that...
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Originally posted by: patbuddha
A Force ghost does not have a physical reality. The way it appears to a living Jedi is a combination of the way the Jedi chooses to see it and the way the dead Jedi chooses to present himself. Anakin appears to Luke as his 22 year old self, the way he appeared just before he got burned up. This is the way he wants to be seen by Luke. He has been moved by the concept of his own metaphorical death, that little zinger Luke hit him with just before they went to see the Emperor.
A Force ghost does not have a physical reality. The way it appears to a living Jedi is a combination of the way the Jedi chooses to see it and the way the dead Jedi chooses to present himself. Anakin appears to Luke as his 22 year old self, the way he appeared just before he got burned up. This is the way he wants to be seen by Luke. He has been moved by the concept of his own metaphorical death, that little zinger Luke hit him with just before they went to see the Emperor.
There ya go, makes sence to me!
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Originally posted by: patbuddha
A Force ghost does not have a physical reality. The way it appears to a living Jedi is a combination of the way the Jedi chooses to see it and the way the dead Jedi chooses to present himself. Anakin appears to Luke as his 22 year old self, the way he appeared just before he got burned up. This is the way he wants to be seen by Luke. He has been moved by the concept of his own metaphorical death, that little zinger Luke hit him with just before they went to see the Emperor.
A Force ghost does not have a physical reality. The way it appears to a living Jedi is a combination of the way the Jedi chooses to see it and the way the dead Jedi chooses to present himself. Anakin appears to Luke as his 22 year old self, the way he appeared just before he got burned up. This is the way he wants to be seen by Luke. He has been moved by the concept of his own metaphorical death, that little zinger Luke hit him with just before they went to see the Emperor.
You just contradicted yourself though. "The way it appears to a living Jedi is a combination of the way the Jedi chooses to see it and the way the dead Jedi chooses to present himself." Why would Luke see him that way if he'd never seen him that way before, and therefore had no idea that that's what Anakin looked like. If my saw my dad in the flesh when he was my age, I definitely wouldn't recognize him. So if the dead dad is gonna come back as a Force ghost, which makes more sense: the younger version, that only one of the two people has seen, or as the older version, which both people have seen?
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
You just contradicted yourself though. "The way it appears to a living Jedi is a combination of the way the Jedi chooses to see it and the way the dead Jedi chooses to present himself." Why would Luke see him that way if he'd never seen him that way before, and therefore had no idea that that's what Anakin looked like.
You just contradicted yourself though. "The way it appears to a living Jedi is a combination of the way the Jedi chooses to see it and the way the dead Jedi chooses to present himself." Why would Luke see him that way if he'd never seen him that way before, and therefore had no idea that that's what Anakin looked like.
I agree. Bad choice of words to explain the concept. The ghost can present himself one way to the living Jedi and the living Jedi can see the ghost as he wants to see him. It all depends on an agreement of sorts between viewer and viewee. So in this instance, Anakin is presenting himself one way and Luke agrees, choosing to see him in the way that he wants to be presented. But assuming that's not quite right, to quote Yoda in The Empire Strikes Back, "Through the Force things you will see. The future. THE PAST. Other places. Old friends long gone." Luke then has a vision of a "city in the clouds" a place he's apparently never been which seems to describe the place that we are introduced to in the very next scene. Alternatively, the essence of his father is with him on Endor and the Force is allowing Luke to visualize him using an image from the past.
And if you really think about it, Hayden as the ghost makes more sense than the ghost as played by Shaw. The Anakin that Luke sees in the 1983 release never existed. Anakin has been scarred and disfigured for the last 20 years. The Shaw ghost is what Anakin might have looked like in the present day had he not been burned. But applying that same rule Shaw Anakin is an Anakin that either the ghost is choosing to present or Luke is choosing to see.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Because Obi-Wan and Yoda maintained their basic forms upon death doesn't mean that this an absolute rule. There is nothing that indicates that it is the only way their ghosts could have appeared. You would never assume that because all the dogs you've seen in your lifetime are cocker spaniels then all dogs must be cocker spaniels. Similarly you can't assume that all Force ghosts take on the appearance of what the Jedi looked like before he died because Yoda and Obi-Wan do.
One way I think it could have been done is to show all three ghosts as they appear in the original version. Cut to Luke looking at them. Cut back and all three are their younger selves.
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Made for IE Forum's Episode III theme month - May 2005.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.