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You're right. I think it's the smaller version of the "phono plug" that's called the mini-DIN.

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We call them 3.5mm jack plugs over here. There's also the 2.5mm version for MP3 players and the original 6.35 mm found on "proper" headphones.

I think Mini-DIN is the name of the s-video connector?

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I've actually already been to a Radio Shack and the stereo jack they pointed me to will not work. I know the out side will not fit into the blue input on the card. And I don't think my sound card has a sound input and I certainly don't have a direct connection to the motherboard. Would it be possible to provide a picture of what I need? MBJ, what version of Vegas do you have because the captured video came out all garbled when I imported it to Vegas 4.

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3.5mm stereo mini phone plug to RCA jack adapter
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6121/18035srcax2kr2.jpg
180-3.5S/RCAX2
4 inch long Stereo Y cable. 3.5mm stereo mini phone plug to dual RCA female jacks.

Again, you will NOT use the blue RCA jack (nor any of the RCA jacks) of the PDI card for audio.

Can you provide a wider-angle picture which shows your entire PC viewed from the rear?

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" I've actually already been to a Radio Shack and the stereo jack they pointed me to will not work. I know the out side will not fit into the blue input on the card. And I don't think my sound card has a sound input and I certainly don't have a direct connection to the motherboard. Would it be possible to provide a picture of what I need? MBJ, what version of Vegas do you have because the captured video came out all garbled when I imported it to Vegas 4. "

You need to take a picture of the whole back side of your computer. Methinks you are using the blue connector of the videocard for the audio, and that's not what it's for. Look where your speakers are plugged into. There should be (at least one more) similar jack somewhere next to it. THAT'S your audio in.

As to the video capture, what codec did you use? (I guess I should read through this whole thread. )

"Overlay would show a black screen at a higher resolution and Preview shows a still frame in either instance."

IIRC (It's been awhile since I captured video), I was unable to preview audio while I was capturing, but it would capture nonetheless. Don't worry too much about the preview (if you can get audio to work, you can use that to gauge.) Go ahead and start capturing the video prior to the event that you want, and let the capture run past the part you want to stop. You can always edit out the extra stuff in Vegas later.

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Any progress, KM?

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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
Overlay would show a black screen at a higher resolution and Preview shows a still frame in either instance.

Overlay always (games, video, capturing) requires the display (video card settings) to be set at either 16-bit or 32-bit color. So if you can't get 32-bit at high resolution, you could try 16-bit. Of course your calibration settings won't be as accurate at 16-bit.

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Oh, it goes in the similar port to where you put the speaker cables. That makes a lot more sense. I'll have to try it. The thing is, the PDI card came with some cables that had the exact same RGB imputs on them. So I brought those to the store and tried the phone plug and it wouldn't fit meaning it wouldn't fit into the imputs on the capture card either. But I guess that didn't give me a good chance to see if those phone plugs would fit into another imput somewhere else on my computer.

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Ok, I still have not tried out the phone cable for audio because, well I've been busy. I've been using the DV capture box in the meantime. Besides, what good will getting the PDI captures with sound do me if they come out all garbled when I try to edit them in Vegas? See below.

Here's a screenshot using the Pyro DV capture box.
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3481/dvsvideobe6.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

I tried to import the video clip captured in virtualdub using the PDI card. It didn't have audio but I was just interested in seeing whether there was a noticeable improvement over DV compression. Unfortunately it was impossible to determine.
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9784/virtualhuffydm1.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

It was actually pretty hard to try to find the matching frame. It took me a while before I realized that in addition to being garbled, the PDI capture also appeared upside down, but that's easy to flip back in Vegas. Does anyone know why it displayed so screwed up in Vegas (I have 4.0)? The avi played fine and right-side up in windows media player. Only when displayed in vegas did it have this problem.

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I've seen that type of corruption before, I think it's a bug in huffyuv. Remind me again, did you install the CCE-patch version?

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Open VirtualDub, go to Video -> Compression. In the codec list what does it say for huffyuv? (Mine is listed as Huffyuv v2.1.1 - CCESP Patch v0.2.5)

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It was actually pretty hard to try to find the matching frame.


Is every frame like that? I remember I was having problems with occasional frames being rendered with weird rainbow coloring (I can't access the screenshot from work.)

Have you installed one of those "codec packs" that contain several codecs? It turned out that that was what was causing the problem (as well as screwing up audio/video sync in Vegas.)

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Every frame was messed up. And the version that I downloaded and installed matches Moth3r except it's 2.1.1. .1 with one extra 1. I do not belive I installed any other codecs except what was linked to previously in this thread. Should I have?

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Is this just a Vegas problem, or does the AVI show up garbled in VirtualDub too?

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No, just Vegas. Virtualdub is where it's captured and that shows up fine. It also plays fine in windows media player. Do you think it would be because I don't have an recent enough version (I have 4) that would be compatible or could there be some kind of firmware upgrade I could get?

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In the huffyuv options, try checking the box that says "Always suggest RGB format for output".

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That worked! I can now edit PDI captured video with HuffyUV lossless compression in Vegas. Thanks a lot! Now I just need to try one of those stereo jacks to see if it will work for audio. It took me a while to figure out how to get the best video because only after I had "none" for preview acceleration would it let me capture full size. I definitely see an improvement with the uncompressed over DV. I used some examples from Super Smash Brothers Melee.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/89/peachdvwj8.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

The uncompressed PDI capture seems to be shifted up and left. This might result in lost information at the top and a thin black line at the bottom for the just about every other capture which won't be framed in by black. I know this won't be visible on a tv but I still want the images centered properly. Most of the stuff I capture (unlike this) is my own videos and I don't want anything cropped out during capture.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4952/peachpdiax9.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

Look at the green below Link's head. Is there a specific name for those lines on what should be solid color?
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6448/linkreeldvlf0.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

They don't appear in the PDI capture.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9172/linkreelpdiux4.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

classic mode trophy with description. (DV capture)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2858/trophy4dvch7.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

I'm not sure if the text looks better here. It seems unevenly bold.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4628/trophy4pdizm9.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

The other interesting thing is the PDI card will capture from my Nintendo 64. The DV box would not pick up anything from the console but strangely capture fine from gamecube. I have a feeling that the PDI will not give me a lot of trouble with dropped frames like I've had in the past. (a section of 37 dropped frames frequently has about 5 minutes of empty black space somehow inserted when I place it in the vegas timeline. It has been a serious pain to cut the blank space out and push the captured parts together)

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Oh my God, I can't believe it. I just realized that I already had one of those mini phone plugs lying around near my computer. It's from Radio Shack but I have no idea when or why I have one. Just looking at the picture posted earlier of the cable, somehow it hit me that it looked similar to some of the extra cables lying around my basement that I seemingly had no use for. But now I can test it out without worrying about having to return something if it doesn't work.
But that brings me to the next question. What do I do with the video afterward? What are my options for rendering it to a new file after I've edited a bunch of clips in Vegas? Before, I would just make an avi file that would keep the video quality exactly the same, no further compression. For burning to dvd, I would use Sonic Mydvd. It has only one automatic write speed for dvd but it actually works out well. As I later realized, the auto write speed compresses the video so that about 4 times as much video can fit but it still looks really good. (Two 7 gb avi videos take up a little more than 3/4 the write space available for a single layer dvd in the program) I'm fine with that because it means I get to keep a video master on the computer that's identical in quality to the raw captures that make it up.

But I'm afraid rendering a losslessly Huffy compressed file to avi will actually make it bigger by not maintaining the lossless compression. I recently took an mp3 file that was 5 minutes and 6 mb, cut it down to 3.5 and re rendered it as a lossless wma. It didn't sound that great so I wanted to make sure I didn't decrease the quality further. The resulting file became an astounding 57 mb. How could it need more mb than the file originally was before? Screwing up audio like that is not too big a deal because it doesn't require anything close to the space needed for video. Am I right to be afraid of doing that with video? Are there any kind of lossless audio compression codecs out there, btw?

The other thing is I might be interested in a more advanced dvd burning software. (I've heard a lot of good things about Nero) Would other dvd software have auto compress write speeds available like Sonic does? If they don't I would have to learn how to use a lossy compression from the Vegas rendering. Something I've been hesitant to do. I know it's possible to throw away a lot of data and lose only a tiny bit of quality but I'm not sure how easy it would be for me to find such a setting. I tried mPEG 2 compression once on a short video segment and it made the video look like it was shot using the low light (not nightshot) mode on a video camera. I know mpeg 2 can look a lot better and is even used by professionals, but I have no idea what makes the difference.

I'm going to see if I can get audio now that I know I have the mini phone cable and now know where it's supposed to go. Thank you all so much for your help. I'm amazed that I've gotten this far as I have never considered myself good with anything on a computer.
EDIT: Turns out the mini cable will fit into a computer plug but the 2 in jacks are not the right size for RCA red and white audio cables.

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Erm... apples?

Was there an actual question in there somewhere?

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Sorry. Anyways I got the cable I needed for audio. But now the audio and video don't match up. Not just unsynched, the audio and video are different lengths. Why is this and what can I do about it?
The main question was: What options do I have for rendering a Huffy file to a final avi? I would prefer to keep it lossless. But I don't want the rendered avi to be bigger than it needs to be?
For example, I took an mp3 audio file that was 7mb, trimmed 2 minutes, re-rendered it as lossless audio and it came out to be 57mb. Should I be worried about doing this with video, making a file bigger than what it originally was.

What can I do about the video image being shifted up in the PDI captures? And is it normal for the half size PDI images to be blurry while the DV frames look sharper? (This only appears at half size.)
DV
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3369/amatohalfdvqt4.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

PDI
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2847/amatohalfpdidu4.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

The other problem with the PDI captures from Hi8 video is that I think they're a little too bright. The Super Smash Bros. Melee examples posted earlier don't show such a brightness disparity, just improved color and contrast. I also think some of the white areas now have a slight pink tint.
DV
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9775/nicholasdvbu3.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

PDI
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2476/nicholaspdivx1.png[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

I'm not sure what to adjust in the virtualdub capture settings. It seems the gain might be too bright on the PDI captures or should I worry about the brightness or gamma? Can you tell what settings should be adjusted or is there really nothing that can be done besides trial and error.

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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
Sorry. Anyways I got the cable I needed for audio. But now the audio and video don't match up. Not just unsynched, the audio and video are different lengths. Why is this and what can I do about it? Look at your capture timing options in VDub. I recommend you use the option to sync audio to video by resampling the audio. Also select the two options at the top for dropping and inserting frames to keep sync. If it's still out of sync, de-select the option to correct video timing for fewer frame drops/inserts.
The main question was: What options do I have for rendering a Huffy file to a final avi? I would prefer to keep it lossless. Huffyuv or Lagarith.
But I don't want the rendered avi to be bigger than it needs to be?
For example, I took an mp3 audio file that was 7mb, trimmed 2 minutes, re-rendered it as lossless audio and it came out to be 57mb. Should I be worried about doing this with video, making a file bigger than what it originally was.
MP3 is lossy, so obviously if you save it as lossless then it will be bigger. For example, if you capture video to Xvid, then render as huffyuv, it will be larger. If you capture to Huffyuv, you'll be fine (as long as you don't save uncompressed RGB!)
What can I do about the video image being shifted up in the PDI captures? And is it normal for the half size PDI images to be blurry while the DV frames look sharper? (This only appears at half size.)
DV
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3369/amatohalfdvqt4.png

PDI
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2847/amatohalfpdidu4.png
That's just the effect of interlacing. The top capture has discarded one field, whereas the bottom cap has blended both fields.
I'm not sure what to adjust in the virtualdub capture settings. It seems the gain might be too bright on the PDI captures or should I worry about the brightness or gamma? Can you tell what settings should be adjusted or is there really nothing that can be done besides trial and error.
Press L to get the level adjustment up. First adjust brightness so that black is black and not dark grey. Then adjust contrast until white is bright but doesn't clip. There are more scientific ways to do it, I think I explained in a previous post somewhere.

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That makes sense about the blend vs discard fields. I understand now. Is there anything I can do about the PDI captures at half size display to discard one field rather than blend them? I don't mean discard half the video for real, just when it's previewed at half size.
So for rendering a final avi, I just have to select the option "lossless huffyuv"? I'm not sure that will be selectable under "Render As" in Vegas. Won't I need to do something first?
About adjusting calibration levels. What should I look at on the screen to determine true black and white? Is there some kind of grayscale or color window because I don't remember seeing one? What do you mean by white not clipping?
And lastly, is there anything that can be done about the picture being shifted up (and having a slight bit at the top cut off) in the PDI captures?

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To calibrate, you should download the colortools plugin for virtualdub, and configure it to display the waveform monitor for luma.

I couldn't find my old post, but I did find the original images explaining how to set black and white points:

http://img14.imgspot.com/u/07/200/09/calibrate2.JPG

http://img14.imgspot.com/u/07/200/09/calibrate1.JPG

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