darth_ender said:
Bingowings said:
darth_ender said:
Bingowings said:
If he is genuinely furious over the activities of the organisation in the thread title why is it wrong to launch idiotic attacks at it?
Detailed empirically concise posts may serve his position better but everyone here has farted into a thread dropped a stench of their opinion and farted out again leaving us all debating as to the merits of lighting a match.
If you discovered that someone was a member of some organisation that had gone out of their way to make money out of crime, cover up child abuse facilitated by the traditions of the institution : discouraged poor people from using a proven method for reducing the fatalities of sexually transmitted epidemic and also a proven method of managing family sizes beyond aborting existing fetuses ; while politically lobbying against other groups of people who happen to believe different things (all this after a history of torture, murder and repression) but wasn't the Catholic church, I assume you would make a very detailed account as to why you might think membership of such an organisation might be less than optimal.
I imagine other people would would just ejaculate.
Using the word "Church" or "Religion" seems to be assumed to be a shield against criticism. Shields however often make convenient targets.
I don't even have a clue what you are talking about. It's not the first time.
I'll try again.
If someone you happened across claimed membership of a far Right or Left hate group or a crime syndicate which did work for charity but he only joined for the charity club I imagine you would write a long detailed explanation as to why this wasn't a good idea but some people would just shout about how stupid it was.
Call it a Religion and it a wall goes up. Look at the confidence act that is Scientology. When it was a self help technique people didn't take it too seriously but when people started to notice the intimidation and law breaking it suddenly became a religion and got tax breaks.
The Catholic Church is not a hate group, any more than the Pride Alliance is a hate group. Did you know that Mormon chapels and temples were vandalized by gay support groups a few years ago? We may have advocated legislation against gay marriage, but never took part in such acts. But do I call such groups hate groups? Nope. I think there are passionate, impulsive members who do stupid things.
There are groups with a dark history (like the UK or US or even independent Scotland, for instance), and who have taken part in bad things. But they have also done good things. I am proud to be American. I am not proud of every aspect, but I'm proud to be American. If someone called most Americans racist, slave-owning, imperialists, I might take umbrage. I've never owned a slave. I've never advocated for imperialism. I abhor racism. But I am American, through and through.
How can saying that if I'm part of an organization that has done bad things, but has also done good things, especially if you refer mostly to its recent history and the majority of its members, that my organization is just plain evil, that I'm evil for joining, for calling most of my members evil? How is that fair. We've had this discussion before, and you rush to the defense of Muslims, but never to Catholics. Who has really had the honor of doing more evil? Yet you point out the good in the Muslims (as well you should, since most are indeed good). Why is the Catholic Church as a whole evil?
Why is it so hard for folks to even consider that at the very minimum they could have kept this aspect of the discussion of the Catholic Church in a different thread? RicOlie_2 clearly wanted to keep that thread civil and share his beliefs. But instead you guys felt it was necessary to tear down his belief system based on the actions of a few.
If you read my previous posts and the one above in anything like a context you would see we are in agreement on the whole.
I said Hate group because I can't think of a non-religious/military organisation with the sort of history of torture and murder or current accusations of rape, money laundering for organised crime and manipulation of the money markets.
However I do BELIEVE that the primary aim of organised religions is to gain and maintain power over people and not worship a God or Gods.
This is true of most gay rights groups but none that I know of have the history or the present circumstances I describe.
It's a discussion forum.
I didn't bring up Homosexuality at all on his thread or mention the child rape.
He did and I'm not going to sit on my hands and have my rarely indulged sexuality compared to child rape and car theft by a member of a religion currently up to it's nose in these sort of allegations.
I'm also not going to keep my mouth shut when the Gay Cure shit is peddled too.
It's blatantly a lie and totally invented by crooks and swindlers.
Much like a lot of world religions but the duped don't like the sound of that.
