Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo... barf

Don't you realize that whining about the consistency and ubiquity of sand is romantic? ;-)

Han Solo: Look, Your Worshipfulness, let's get one thing straight. I take orders from just one person: me.
Princess Leia: It's a wonder you're still alive.
[Pushing past Chewbacca]
Princess Leia: Will someone get this big walking carpet out of my way?
Han Solo: No reward is worth this.

• • Wonderful girl. Either I'm going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her."

• • "Look, Your Worshipfulness, let's get one thing straight. I take orders from just one person: me."

• • Han Solo: "Not a bad bit of rescuing, huh? You know, sometimes I amaze even myself."
  • Princess Leia: "That doesn't sound too hard."

yeah, likes that so much better..

it was all cheesy even in the originals.

later

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It was cheesy, but - as samlark said - believable.  The problem with the prequel romance is that it wasn't believable.  Sometiems it was, mostly it wasn't.  So many of those scenes were ill-planned; the strangest things made them embrace, particularly the stuff about the sand.

rcb said:

 heck, in the clone wars movie when anakin sees the holographic image of padme, a tear goes down his cheeck. the romance between han and leia was much better, especially solo.

Well I'm sure he misses the love of his life just a little bit, compared to seeing all that time spent between Han and Leia I could see Anakin being quite envious of that, heck they spent so much time around eachother they had the time to bicker, although very lamish every moment of contact was precious between Anakin and Padme, being in the front lines of war and all, Anakin could die any day. I'm just being the devil's advocate, there's two sides to evey coin my friend, Han and Leia had cringeworthy moments aswell, althogh alot less of them, :D

There was chemistry and sexual tension between Leia and Han which made their exchanges very amusing. There was zip between Anakin and Padme which made their exchanges ridiculous.

Even has a trope named after it: George Lucas Love Story

ADM edited the love story completely out of Pearl Harbor, and the film was much better. Wonder if you could do the same for AOTC?

Remember after Ep 1 and before Ep 2 when Lucas said that Ep 2 was going to be a depature from the SW series and was going to be a romance story and light on the action? I actually would of prefered that and found it refreshing in hindsight after the ****ing tripe that was actually unleashed on the public.

Considering Lucas did not even write the dialogue negative 1 is critcising That is not surprising Vaderisnothayden.  Willard Huyck and Gloria Katz wrote that.  The best dialogue of Empire Strikes Back is Lawrence Kasden.

Lucas had people helping him write the originals when he got to the prequels he pretty much wrote them himself. except for minor rewrites on episode II by Jonathan Hales, and uncredited work by Carrie Fisher on Epsiode 1 being rumored.

Did he write episode III completely by himself?

In his own words Lucas says " I am a terrible writer"  he said he "hated directing".  Yet he directed and wrote the 3 prequels all on his own because he did not want people muddying his vision Like Kershner did on Empire Strikes back as he has implied but never said directly.  He also was not 100% happy with what Marquand gave him on Return of the Jedi.  So he decided to have things his way he would have to have all control.

He also says he only got about 20% of the movie he wanted on Star Wars.  and something like 40% of what he wanted overall with the oot.   with the special editions changes he now says it is closer to 55 or 60% of what he wanted.  and he says being unhindred by technology he got 100% of the original movie he wanted star wars to be with the prequels.

So the so called "compromises" and "limited palette"  he had on the original trilogy was what made the films better.  Because he had to get help from friends and colleagues and look for creative solutions.   Digital editing, creating the perfermance afterwards and not getting it from directing the actors, and cgi gave him wooden performances and allowed him to get lazy with cgi.  Thereby making the prequels suffer as a result.  He shot for keeping things consistant in their mediocrity and succeded.

Vaderisnothayden said:

I think after we petition to get Lucas to give us the OOT on blu-ray, we should petition to get him to edit Hayden Christensen out of the prequels. ;) If he put in Jar Jar as Anakin instead I think I'd find it more believable.

Whoa, Jar Jar Binks becomes Darth Vader, that boggles the mind. I can imagine the scene where Luke removes his helmet at the end of ROTJ, and discovers that his father is a Gungan, yells out "Noooooooooooooooooooo" then stands up, ignites his lightsaber, and falls on it. "Watsaa da madder wit yussa my boyoh? Nooo yussa don't wanna be doin dat! Noooo, Lukey!!!!! Noooooooo hoooo hoooo hoooo!"

I think part of what made their relationship so barfable was not just the lack of chemistry, but the utter lack of sympathy we (I) felt for the characters.

Padme Amidala is just a Leia clone with the sharp edges smoothed off, and where's the fun in that? Her claims to fame are her time in the "legislative youth program" and peaking, politically, at the tender age of 14. Leia is like the girl you know who prefers to hang out with the guys and can out-drink, out-swear, and out-fight any of them. She puts up a frost queen front, but you know there's something tender deep down and you'd do anything to melt it out of her.

Han is the kind of guy every guy wants to be, and every girl wants to ... well, I don't know, they probably want to do something to him. He's got a fast spaceship, a best friend who beats up his enemies, and a big gun. Anakin is a dangerous sociopath who lived his entire life in slavery--first to a flying bug, and then to an order of militaristic religious zealots. He left his mother to rot in slavery, after which she was eventually raped to death by Sandpeople. And he had a bad haircut. Even if you had never seen the OT, you knew you didn't want to be Anakin, because he had been dealt a bad hand by life and he was playing it poorly.

Anakin and Padme ... I don't think even chemistry could've saved that dreadful pairing.

rcb said:

i believe anakin was twenty, while padme was twenty four.

i think george was trying to go back to like a romeo and juliet or some type of shakespear in the movie. if you've read the novel for episode I, anakin says he's one day gonna marry padme. what the hell is that? that is the corniest line for a ten year old and i'm glad it wasn't in the movie.

you're worried about 1 line from the novelization? how about these from the original 'star wars'

novelization:

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• Darth Vader's eyes are red.

• C-3PO is described as bronze, not gold.

• The prologue quotes from the Journal of the Whills, and implies that Emperor Palpatine is merely a figurehead controlled by the Imperial bureaucracy. A brief description is given of the transition from Republic to Empire, when Palpatine became President, not Chancellor.

• During the battle aboard the Tantive IV, the stormtroopers dropped through the ceiling, rather than charging through an entryway.

• When Leia Organa is captured, she kills two stormtroopers, instead of only one in the film. The first stormtrooper shot also doesn't finish his sentence. Upon sighting the Princess the stormtroopers says, "Here she is. Set for stun forc--" and is shot.

• Luke is introduced right after the battle aboard the Tantive IV after seeing the battle through his binoculars. The section also introduces Luke's friends: Camie, Fixer, Deak, Windy and Biggs (although this was filmed for the movie it was later cut in post-production).

• Luke is derogatorily referred to as "Wormie" by some of his friends

• Droids are often referred to as robots throughout the novelization. The term "droids" is implied to be a slang term for the word robots.

• General Cassio Tagge is described as "one of the youngest" officers in the room during the conference scene. Also, Admiral Conan Antonio Motti is referred to as "Romodi," who has deeply entrenched facial scars.

• Luke's landspeeder has an enclosed cockpit unlike the open cockpit seen in the film. Also the landspeeder is piloted by C-3PO during the search for R2-D2 instead of Luke.

• Ben Kenobi's hut is a cave rather than a hut. The differences between Luke's father and his uncle is described more deeply than in the film.

• TK-421 is referred to as THX-1138, another reference to one of Lucas's other films,

• Luke gets much more emotional when Wedge tells him that Biggs was killed, it tells us that Luke's eyes began to water: "'We're a couple of shooting stars Biggs' he whispered huskily, 'and we'll never be stopped.'"

• In the publisher's summary it says that Luke is twenty years old, yet he was born in 19 BBY and the film (and book) takes place in 0 BBY, he must be 19 (to see how this works go here). The Empire came into power in the year zero in the Imperial Calendar, and this would add a year to Luke's age. So twenty is an accurate assessment. It should be noted of course that the novel was published long before the scripts for Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and Revenge of the Sith were written, which would create the mythology that Luke and Leia were the twin children of Darth Vader, and establish them as being born 19 years prior. In the novel for Empire Strikes Back which takes place three years later, it is stated that Luke is 23.

• When Greedo confronts Han in the cantina, he is speaking through an electronic translator. The infamous scene that follows is left very vague in the novel, it only says that "light and noise filled the little corner of the cantina," it never says who shot first. It should be noted of course that the idea of Greedo being shot without himself firing was already present in the 1976 versions of the script, contemporary with the novel.

• When the gang dives in the garbage chute, Han dives in before Luke does. Whereas in the film, Leia goes first, then Chewie, Luke goes next, than Han.

• During the Battle of Yavin, Luke's starfighter squadron is Blue Squadron, and he makes two runs through the trench.

• Darth Vader is referred to as a "Sith Lord" and other Sith Lords before him are briefly mentioned though not in detail (the Emperor is never implied to have Force abilities at all as he later would have in Empire Strikes Back).

• Ben Kenobi mentions in passing how lightsabers used to enjoy widespread use in the galaxy, and are still used in some areas (there's a bit of controversy over the original spelling as well, since the first publication spelled it "lightsabre" according to British spelling). The saber is said to have jewels on the hilt.

• Kenobi cuts a smaller alien in half as well as hacking off the arm of another in the cantina, in defense of Luke. Instead of just two bullies (Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazan), there were three in the novel (those two, plus the aforementioned alien).

• Jabba is referred to as "Jabba the Hut" (note the one "t") and described as if he is a fat, bipedal being (rather than the familiar slug monster he would later become in Return of the Jedi) with an ugly, "shaggy skull" and "jowels" that shook with his head. His scars are said to be a sign of his ferocious reputation in combat. This differs from the many interpretations of Jabba over the years, prior to Return of the Jedi (in early test footage with a large actor in fur, a familiar alien in a flight suit in Marvel Comics, the large headed razor toothed monster in early sketches, or a slavering creature with "eyes on stalks" in the scripts). When Jabba says "for an extra 20 percent", Han Solo doesn't say "15 Jabba, don't push it."

• Chewbacca is described as having yellow eyes.

• The Death Star's destruction of Alderaan is not seen. Just the preparations to fire and the Millennium Falcon's arrival in the debris field following the blast.

• In the novel, Obi-Wan Kenobi doesn't feel the destruction of Alderaan through the force.

• At the novel's end, Leia does give Chewbacca a medal, but she has to strain to do so.

there's a lot more differences in the book, there always are..

you might not like them, but i think 1 line would hardly make a difference for ep 1..

later

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While I can't criticize you because it looks like you copied and pasted that from the Star Wars wiki, I have to add that Darth Vader does indeed appear to have red eyes in the original film.

Um, I fail to see the comparison between the ridiculousness of a 9 year old Anakin claiming he was going to marry Padme, and artistic liscense ADF used by not following the script 100% (even less connection with things like Jabba, which WAS 100% accurate at the time the novel was written).

Also, it isn't just 1 line from the novel, Terry Brooks didn't make it up or add it, it was in the script, written by the godlike hand of George. This line is also referenced in Weird Al's song The Saga Begins, with the line "he said is gonna marry her someday..." Al put the line in the song, because it was in the script that Lucas gave him to read shortly before the release of the film.

Concerning the ridiculousness of a nine year old boy stating that he wanted to marry an older girl, there is nothing ridiculous of this in of itself, the ridiculous part is the nine year old eventually actually marrying her. As rcb's point was, Lucas was trying to make it a Romeo and Julietish love story. Aww he has been in love with her since he was nine, how sweet! ...!

rcb said:

i believe anakin was twenty, while padme was twenty four.

 i think george was trying to go back to like a romeo and juliet or some type of shakespear in the movie. if you've read the novel for episode I, anakin says he's one day gonna marry padme. what the hell is that? that is the corniest line for a ten year old and i'm glad it wasn't in the movie.

I also agree with rcb that GL was going for the Romeo & Juliet style for their romance. Just listen to the dialogue and the way it is spoken in the fireplace scene. very Shakespearean in its tone.