FFS! The admins ban a team account that produce wonderful restorations yet they allow BS threads like this?
This forum’s great discussions and threads are being totally diluted by off topic Spleen invitations and people asking tech questions out of their correct sections.
If admins are going to be strict on “rules” can you at least be consistent and be strict on all rules!! So tired of this BS…
FFS! The admins ban a team account that produce wonderful restorations yet they allow BS threads like this?
This forum’s great discussions and threads are being totally diluted by off topic Spleen invitations and people asking tech questions out of their correct sections.
If admins are going to be strict on “rules” can you at least be consistent and be strict on all rules!! So tired of this BS…
The ‘team account’ didn’t produce anything. The talented people on the team did. And the entire team is welcome to post here under their real accounts. And some of them do. That also wasn’t a team account, it was an alternate account belonging only to negative1. He has several other accounts here: negative1 and rogue1. No one is being silenced at all.
Maybe this thread should be moved to the technical section since that seems to be what it’s now about. But it definitely has nothing to do with negative1.
towne32 said:
The ‘team account’ didn’t produce anything. The talented people on the team did. And the entire team is welcome to post here under their real accounts. And some of them do. That also wasn’t a team account, it was an alternate account belonging only to negative1. He has several other accounts here: negative1 and rogue1. No one is being silenced at all.Maybe this thread should be moved to the technical section since that seems to be what it’s now about. But it definitely has nothing to do with negative1.
Not just this thread, but every post in every thread in Fan Preservations that asks questions about invites to Spleen and how to burn DVDs and the like. There are rules about invite requests and a whole section dedicated to tech questions - admins should enforce people to use them!!
I’m a longtime fan of this forum and it has become seriously underadministered in the past 6 months. Tonnes of junk posts are diluting great discussion! You can pretty much post whatever you like in whatever thread you like at the moment.
Case in point - Idiots like Idontlikepocketsand can join and on the same day create a BS thread that breaks at least two rules of the forum and two days later it admins still haven’t removed it.
Towne32 you are a long time member and contributor and yet you engage with users that post garbage all the time. Why? This just encourages more users to behave in this way and ruin the experience of the discussions. Have some respect for the forums and stop helping these people!
And re my point about Negative1, I’m pointing out the double standards shown in enforcement of the forum rules not the specifics of what happened.
Your first post in this thread defended someone who attempted to delete his team’s important releases from their major source of distribution as well as stifle any further conversation about them here in their official threads. So please don’t tell me I’m supporting people who are detrimental to the community.
Towne32 you are a long time member and contributor and yet you engage with users that post garbage all the time. Why?
You’re right. I’ll stop engaging with you. 😛
I don’t disagree with you that it should be moved. You just picked a really shitty example to compare it to, with Negative1, in my opinion. I assume you reported the thread two days ago to have it moved?
He has several other accounts here: negative1 and rogue1.
rogue1 was negative1’s sock? I’m socked… I mean shocked!
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IDontLikePocketSand said:
It just finished via none’s site, so I will put my full-sized screenshots in the original post for JayArgonaut.Much obliged.
It looks quite decent, all things considered. If only they’d managed to capture the entire aspect ratio…
Q: What’s the audio like? Is it fully mixed stereo? There’s a reason why I’m asking.
I’m fairly certain it is not; left and right sound identical. Original post updated with media info. The aspect ratio is wrong because the picture is somewhat stretched vertically, but I believe that most of the frame is there. Presumably, the stretching was done so that a person could watch it on a 4:3 CRT TV without having to squint as much.
God did that movie suck. Whoever shot this cam must have been a real pro because I wouldn’t have been able to keep the camera still out of a combination of compulsive laughter and facepalming.
Only tripods are so precise. I am not the biggest fan of AOTC or of the prequels, but I wanted to recapture the memory of my sole theatrical viewing as a youngling in aught-two, in a similar spirit to the great Team Negative1 35mm restoration of “Star Wars.”
To those wondering why this topic belongs here, it clearly falls under “the preservation of Star Wars rarities,” is a help to anyone who might want to make an AOTC theatrical fan edit, and, as someone stated, follows the obvious pattern that has been set in the category and forum; there are search terms and sources named but no direct links. In all candor, I don’t really care what a screen name with accompanying comic book image thinks about me or my posts; it is the sole responsibility of the site owner and moderators to control the forum’s tone, pattern, and culture.
To those having difficulty playing this ancient media format, I have updated the original post with brief instructions for Windows users, links to solutions for Linux and OS X users, and like I said the media info.
I’m fairly certain it is not; left and right sound identical. Original post updated with media info. The aspect ratio is wrong because the picture is somewhat stretched vertically, but I believe that most of the frame is there. Presumably, the stretching was done so that a person could watch it on a 4:3 CRT TV without having to squint as much.
Thanks for your efforts with this.
I was curious about the sound because there was an article about piracy (can’t find the source now) that was published at the time of AOTC’s release and mentioned the role of “inside jobs” and as an example, described a pirated copy of AOTC that contained excellent fully mixed stereo audio, which led Lucasfilm to conclude it had been shot in a movie theatre/cinema by someone with access to a line output.
That means it’s not the Centropy release but I’m intrigued as to which one it was…
“Logic is the battlefield of adulthood.”
I’m fairly certain it is not; left and right sound identical. Original post updated with media info. The aspect ratio is wrong because the picture is somewhat stretched vertically, but I believe that most of the frame is there. Presumably, the stretching was done so that a person could watch it on a 4:3 CRT TV without having to squint as much.
Thanks for your efforts with this.
I was curious about the sound because there was an article about piracy (can’t find the source now) that was published at the time of AOTC’s release and mentioned the role of “inside jobs” and as an example, described a pirated copy of AOTC that contained excellent fully mixed stereo audio, which led Lucasfilm to conclude it had been shot in a movie theatre/cinema by someone with access to a line output.
That means it’s not the Centropy release but I’m intrigued as to which one it was…
You’re welcome. The question of whether the channels match bugged me, so I extracted the first SVCD’s audio and followed the suggestions here in Audacity, resulting in this audio difference which sounds like a meaningless low warble. The channels are practically identical. However, Centropy’s audio track lacks audience noise and is very high-quality for what it is.
The only other AOTC TS or cam that I know of, also hosted by noneinc, is a comparatively poor-looking one called “Star Wars Episode 2 - Attack of the Clones - Cinema” or “SWE2AotCCinema” (screenshots). It might have real stereo sound; you can download and check it if you like.
It could be that the interviewee or journalist said “fully mixed stereo” to sound technically sophisticated or to amp up the perceived sophistication of the pirates and their “theft,” or the person could have been entirely full of it. By all accounts, Centropy was the elite scene group for films in the early noughties and their AOTC release the best one. I at least had that much figured out before reaching out for help by starting this topic.
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I confess I’m not sure what rules are being broken discussing an ancient VCD bootleg from 2002 of an alternate version of AOTC. Seems like the sort of obscure thing we care about around here, but I’ll run it by the Emperor himself just to be sure.
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I’ve actually got the “official” (factory pressed) VCD of AOTC, though it’s literally identical to the one on Spleen.
Has anybody actually found the SVCD? I was under the impression the CTP one everyone here already has (well, most of us have), was the definitive version anyway.
Anyone who has a problem with us mods, kindly complain directly to Jay. We unfortunately have lives outside this site, and don’t see everything. We actually do a lot of things that usually go unnoticed around here, things that keep this place from turning into a cesspool like some sites I won’t name.
I confess I’m not sure what rules are being broken discussing an ancient VCD bootleg from 2002 of an alternate version of AOTC. Seems like the sort of obscure thing we care about around here, but I’ll run it by the Emperor himself just to be sure.
People talk about the AotC bootleg here all the time, why is this thread controversial, besides the direct asking for a Spleen invite?
IDontLikePocketSand said:
is a help to anyone who might want to make an AOTC theatrical fan edit
I’m not saying the AotC bootleg isn’t a very valuable source, but making even an SD edit of the theatrical version is neigh impossible without the original prints (though I’m fairly sure it was distributed digitally, so I don’t know if any would even exist), so unless someone plans to splice in major special effects edits from the bootleg into the DVD version - which would look atrocious - then a theatrical fan edit will probably never exist.
Well, It allowed us to figure out in advance what shots need to be changed should a print ever become available. If only certain reels are available or can be afforded, etc, that might matter. But I suspect having the whole scan in HD would reveal a few more small changes. McCallum suggested there were many more than we’ve found. Though he was obviously schooled in Lucas level dishonesty, so who knows.
Ryan-SWI said:
…but making even an SD edit of the theatrical version is neigh impossible without the original prints (though I’m fairly sure it was distributed digitally, so I don’t know if any would even exist…
AOTC was distributed digitally and in 35mm: which is how I saw it during the theatrical run. I remember being disappointed that portions of the print were covered with flecks.
“many theaters showing the movie screened it in 35mm despite Lucas’ plea to convert their projectors to digital.”
http://mentalfloss.com/article/55429/11-movies-shaped-digital-revolution
“Logic is the battlefield of adulthood.”
And the only thing I think we know for sure about the DCP release is that it had the animated robotic hand. It’s not known if it has the extra speeder. Presumably the Padme lines that were changed later that year for DVD (‘is to be human’ and ‘uh huh’) were the same between DCP/35mm, since those scenes were panned by critics and it would have come up if there were different versions to be seen (and this also explains why they were indeed tweaked for the DVD).
A 35mm print would settle whether or not Jango had extra sparks added to his jet pack, but I think people are mostly in agreement that there’s no difference. Seems like just a weird assumption or false memory.
And the only thing I think we know for sure about the DCP release is that it had the animated robotic hand. It’s not known if it has the extra speeder. Presumably the Padme lines that were changed later that year for DVD (‘is to be human’ and ‘uh huh’) were the same between DCP/35mm, since those scenes were panned by critics and it would have come up if there were different versions to be seen (and this also explains why they were indeed tweaked for the DVD).
A 35mm print would settle whether or not Jango had extra sparks added to his jet pack, but I think people are mostly in agreement that there’s no difference. Seems like just a weird assumption or false memory.
The only changes I’m certain of are the robotic hand and the Padme lines. I’m around 80% sure those speeders were taken out during the Coruscant chase, but the sparks from Jango’s jet pack are a very far stretch.
And the only thing I think we know for sure about the DCP release is that it had the animated robotic hand. It’s not known if it has the extra speeder. Presumably the Padme lines that were changed later that year for DVD (‘is to be human’ and ‘uh huh’) were the same between DCP/35mm, since those scenes were panned by critics and it would have come up if there were different versions to be seen (and this also explains why they were indeed tweaked for the DVD).
A 35mm print would settle whether or not Jango had extra sparks added to his jet pack, but I think people are mostly in agreement that there’s no difference. Seems like just a weird assumption or false memory.
The only changes I’m certain of are the robotic hand and the Padme lines. I’m around 80% sure those speeders were taken out during the Coruscant chase, but the sparks from Jango’s jet pack are a very far stretch.
Are you talking about the DCP or just describing eventual changes?
If eventual (DVD, HDTV, etc) those are indeed all changes, including the speeder (I’ve checked) except probably for the sparks.
If DCP, I really don’t think there’s any way of knowing. There is absolutely no way anyone remembers whether or not an extra speeder was there for a couple frames. 😃 We know about the hand because it was mentioned in contemporary reviews well before the DVD came out. As I said before, I would be surprised if Padme’s lines were not mentioned at that same time. Could the DCP have used the same DTS files we have access to? Or they would include their own audio?
And the only thing I think we know for sure about the DCP release is that it had the animated robotic hand. It’s not known if it has the extra speeder. Presumably the Padme lines that were changed later that year for DVD (‘is to be human’ and ‘uh huh’) were the same between DCP/35mm, since those scenes were panned by critics and it would have come up if there were different versions to be seen (and this also explains why they were indeed tweaked for the DVD).
A 35mm print would settle whether or not Jango had extra sparks added to his jet pack, but I think people are mostly in agreement that there’s no difference. Seems like just a weird assumption or false memory.
The only changes I’m certain of are the robotic hand and the Padme lines. I’m around 80% sure those speeders were taken out during the Coruscant chase, but the sparks from Jango’s jet pack are a very far stretch.
Are you talking about the DCP or just describing eventual changes?
If eventual (DVD, HDTV, etc) those are indeed all changes, including the speeder (I’ve checked) except probably for the sparks.
If DCP, I really don’t think there’s any way of knowing. There is absolutely no way anyone remembers whether or not an extra speeder was there for a couple frames. 😃 We know about the hand because it was mentioned in contemporary reviews well before the DVD came out. As I said before, I would be surprised if Padme’s lines were not mentioned at that same time. Could the DCP have used the same DTS files we have access to? Or they would include their own audio?
I’m referring to eventual changes.
I think you’re right about Padme’s lines, though I’m really not sure if there is any way of ever checking.
I’m not highly knowledgeable on DCPs, is there any feasible way somebody could get a hold of one at all? I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure some of them ‘expire’ after a certain amount of time or are permanently locked, I could be wrong though.
Yeah, I don’t know much about them. I’m sure modern day ones do things like expire and have great encryption and a million ways of watermarking things. 2002 though? Maybe less crazy. But I’ve never heard of someone having such a thing.
Anyway, Padme’s lines were indeed changed. We have the titular Centropy telesync as well as lossless DTS CD rips to confirm that. The “uh huh” change is simply differently dubbed. “To be angry is to be human” is a different cut. Changes the scene length and cuts a few frames from the shot before and the start of the next scene. Not to mention changes the characterization and relationship. Or at least makes her idiocy more obvious.
Yeah, I don’t know much about them. I’m sure modern day ones do things like expire and have great encryption and a million ways of watermarking things. 2002 though? Maybe less crazy. But I’ve never heard of someone having such a thing.
Check this out:
http://sohodigitalcinema.com/info/digital-cinema-mastering-faqs/
“A digital cinema package can be encrypted. This is an anti-piracy measure and it means the DCP can only be played back with the use of a KDM (Key Delivery Message). This is a small XML file we send to the cinema via email. It is ingested onto the Digital Cinema Server along with the DCP. The KDM will only work on the server it has been made for. It contains the time and date when the DCP can be played back and, if required, an expiry date.”
“Logic is the battlefield of adulthood.”
Right. Just wasn’t sure if those kind of features might have been a bit too sophisticated for one of the earlier DCPs in 2002.
We can only hope that’s the case. 😃
If not, nearly every “copyright” measure that’s been touted as impenetrable has sooner or later, been defeated.
“Logic is the battlefield of adulthood.”
We can only hope that’s the case. 😃
If not, nearly every “copyright” measure that’s been touted as impenetrable has sooner or later, been defeated.
Even if it is the case, I’m yet to see a DCP for AOTC 😕
I must have it, Im a sucker for pirated copies
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