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Vaderisnothayden said:

As for the topic of the thread, I don't see the point in nitpicking the logic of the OT. The OT WORKS. It just does, logical faults and all. So there's no need to kvetch over bad logic (this includes the Han rescue question). Save that logic nitpicking for the PT, which doesn't work. When a story convinces imaginatively and emotionally, it can survive logic faults, but when it doesn't, logic faults become a problem.

I sort of agree with this.  I think some things really don't need to be examined in too much detail because they work and the audience does suspend any disbelief.  The old issue of noise in space comes to mind.  Sure it is not possible, but who really cares?  

That said, I think that even though the OT works, doesn't mean it isn't open to critique or critical thinking.  These discussions are an interesting look at the evolution of the story.  I don't see it as really kvetching. 

Just because something works doesn't mean that it can't work better.

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vote_for_palpatine said:

ESB: Vader wants Luke Skywalker desparately. He is using a ton of Imperial resources to track down this one guy. (Of course, we do not yet know about their blood ties) True, finding Skywalker means finding the Rebels, but the course of the movie makes clear that finding the Rebel base is the second bird - Vader's one stone is aimed at Luke. (If that weren't the case, why did'nt Vader's ship try to follow the Rebel fleet out of Hoth instead of the Millennium Falcon?)

he didnt know luke was his son ye- oh wait it says so in the crawl

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vote_for_palpatine said:

ESB: Vader wants Luke Skywalker desparately. He is using a ton of Imperial resources to track down this one guy. (Of course, we do not yet know about their blood ties) True, finding Skywalker means finding the Rebels, but the course of the movie makes clear that finding the Rebel base is the second bird - Vader's one stone is aimed at Luke. (If that weren't the case, why did not Vader's ship try to follow the Rebel fleet out of Hoth instead of the Millennium Falcon?)

I figured that Vader thought Luke would be on the Falcon with his dear friends. He knows that Luke would risk his life to try and save them, so it stands to reason maybe the gang would stick together during an evacuation.

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Vaderisnothayden said:

I've wondered about that. In the end of ESB it clearly sounds like they don't know where Jabba is. The mention of Tatooine there confuses the matter slightly, but nobody asks why Lando is wearing Han's clothes, except in Family Guy.

 

 

 Lando had just evacuated Cloud City. He left his wardrobe behind. That's obviously Han's spare clothes that were haning in the Falcon's closet.

 

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Lando wearing Han's clothes reminds me of that scene in Men in Black, where Will Smith asks Tommy Lee Jones, "You know the difference between you and me? I make this look good."

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fishmanlee said:

vote_for_palpatine said:

All right. If someone has addressed this before, I apologize for fobbing this off as original thought. To the best of my knowledge, this hasn't been discussed before in any SW forum I've been to.

ESB: Vader wants Luke Skywalker desparately. He is using a ton of Imperial resources to track down this one guy. (Of course, we do not yet know about their blood ties) True, finding Skywalker means finding the Rebels, but the course of the movie makes clear that finding the Rebel base is the second bird - Vader's one stone is aimed at Luke. (If that weren't the case, why did not Vader's ship try to follow the Rebel fleet out of Hoth instead of the Millennium Falcon?)

he didnt know luke was his son ye- oh wait it says so in the crawl

 

Your post seems to be designed to cut my argument down at the knees. So let's look at your post:

"he didn't know luke was his son yet" is not what I said in the first place. I said "we do not yet know" as in "we the audience". Please read more carefully in the future.

Then you say that the blood relation is established in the crawl. What, this crawl? (from imdb.com)

Title card/crawl: It is a dark time for the Rebellion. Although the Death Star has been destroyed, Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the galaxy. Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth. The evil lord Darth Vader, obsessed with finding young Skywalker, has dispatched thousands of remote probes into the far reaches of space...

What there says Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father? If by that you are implying the question, "Why else would he be searching so intensely?", I am obliged to reply, "So I supppose by that logic that Jabba the Hutt must be Han Solo's father."

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vote_for_palpatine said:

"So I supppose by that logic that Jabba the Hutt must be Han Solo's father."

Thanks for ruining it for those of us here who haven't seen the movie yet :-(

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vote_for_palpatine said:

fishmanlee said:

vote_for_palpatine said:

All right. If someone has addressed this before, I apologize for fobbing this off as original thought. To the best of my knowledge, this hasn't been discussed before in any SW forum I've been to.

ESB: Vader wants Luke Skywalker desparately. He is using a ton of Imperial resources to track down this one guy. (Of course, we do not yet know about their blood ties) True, finding Skywalker means finding the Rebels, but the course of the movie makes clear that finding the Rebel base is the second bird - Vader's one stone is aimed at Luke. (If that weren't the case, why did not Vader's ship try to follow the Rebel fleet out of Hoth instead of the Millennium Falcon?)

he didnt know luke was his son ye- oh wait it says so in the crawl

 

Your post seems to be designed to cut my argument down at the knees. So let's look at your post:

"he didn't know luke was his son yet" is not what I said in the first place. I said "we do not yet know" as in "we the audience". Please read more carefully in the future.

Then you say that the blood relation is established in the crawl. What, this crawl? (from imdb.com)

Title card/crawl: It is a dark time for the Rebellion. Although the Death Star has been destroyed, Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the galaxy. Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth. The evil lord Darth Vader, obsessed with finding young Skywalker, has dispatched thousands of remote probes into the far reaches of space...

What there says Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father? If by that you are implying the question, "Why else would he be searching so intensely?", I am obliged to reply, "So I supppose by that logic that Jabba the Hutt must be Han Solo's father."

Thanks for playing though.

 the last name SKYWALKER? though i am not saying that there couldnt be other people with the last name skywalker

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I don't want to derail this thread by continuing down this dark path too long but remember fishman ESB was the second film to be released.

So at the time we, the audience were under the impression that Vader murdered Luke's father (and not Hayden Christensen with his evil Master Darth Lucas).

It's only after Yoda confirms the revelation given to us at the end of ESB in the next film that we know for sure why.

It does seem a bit silly that Vader would just give up on the chase when he has a clear lead.

Palpatine wants Vader to put the willies up Jerjerrod but that wouldn't stop him from deferring the search duties to his task force.

The Emperor was all for it in ESB and seems to only pull Vader off the deal when his convinced Luke will seek his father out himself.

If anything Palpatine is using Vader as a self baited trap for Luke (and Vice-versa) but that doesn't happen until after he rescues Han.

 

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TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

I've wondered about that. In the end of ESB it clearly sounds like they don't know where Jabba is. The mention of Tatooine there confuses the matter slightly, but nobody asks why Lando is wearing Han's clothes, except in Family Guy.

 

 

 Lando had just evacuated Cloud City. He left his wardrobe behind. That's obviously Han's spare clothes that were haning in the Falcon's closet.

 

No, No, No, No!

They are Lando's clothes. When Han won the falcon in that sabacc game, he also won the clothes of Lando's back.

Lando walked away from the sabacc table completely bollock naked. That's why he's less than pleased to see Han on Cloud City.

Lando's just taking back what's his.

It's all in EU people.

Or maybe I might have made it all up!

Your brain just makes s**t up!

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Bobby Jay said:

TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

I've wondered about that. In the end of ESB it clearly sounds like they don't know where Jabba is. The mention of Tatooine there confuses the matter slightly, but nobody asks why Lando is wearing Han's clothes, except in Family Guy.

 

 

 Lando had just evacuated Cloud City. He left his wardrobe behind. That's obviously Han's spare clothes that were haning in the Falcon's closet.

 

No, No, No, No!

They are Lando's clothes. When Han won the falcon in that sabacc game, he also won the clothes of Lando's back.

Lando walked away from the sabacc table completely bollock naked. That's why he's less than pleased to see Han on Cloud City.

Lando's just taking back what's his.

It's all in EU people.

Or maybe I might have made it all up!

 Both of these are actually pretty good explanations, actually. :p

Of course, in real life it was because Harrison Ford wasn't going to do a third film, so Lucas set up Lando as a replacement for him, even giving him the Falcon and Han's attire. Which might not have gone over so smoothly with the fans in film three. Good thing Ford came back, so he could mumble stuff blankly through various scenes of dancing puppets and midgets.

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I don't agree with the view that Ford did a bad job in ROTJ. He did the best performance in the film. He was a joy to watch. He didn't have as much to do of interest as he had in the previous two films, but he made excellent use of what he was given.