Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 456

ScruffyNerfHerder said:

Hey Harmy, 

    It sounds as if most Blu-ray authoring programs have a limit of eight audio tracks. I don't know if anyone has suggested this, but if you can't put every language on one disc, why not make a couple of customized, regional versions like Hollywood does? 

    You could create, say a "North American Edition" with:

1. 5.1   DTS-HD-MA   [English]        (1977 70mm six track mix)
2. 2.0   DTS-HD-MA   [English]        (1977 35mm stereo mix)
3. 1.0   DTS-HD-MA   [English]        (1977 35mm mono mix)
4. 2.0 Dolby Digital [English]        (1985 Laserdisc mix)
5. 2.0 Dolby Digital [English]        (1993 Laserdisc mix)
6. 1.0 Dolby Digital [Spanish]        (1980 Latino dub)
7. 2.0 Dolby Digital [French]         (1977 dub)
8. 2.0 Dolby Digital [English]        (2004 DVD Audio Commentary)

   

    And a "European Edition" with:

1. 2.0 Dolby Digital [German]         (1978 dub reconstruction)
2. 2.0 Dolby Digital [French]         (1977 dub)
3. 2.0 Dolby Digital [Spanish]        (1977 Castilian dub)
4. 1.0 Dolby Digital [Portuguese]     (1980s Brazilian dub)
5. 2.0 Dolby Digital [Italian]        (1977 dub) 
6. 2.0 Dolby Digital [Polish]         (1995 Voiceover)
7. 2.0 Dolby Digital [Czech]          (1992 dub)
8. 2.0 Dolby Digital [Hungarian]      (1984 dub)

   

    Or something like that. A third version could have Japanese and the commentary tracks, etc. You could still include all the subtitle tracks on every version.  

    Releasing the Blu-ray this way would also make the file sizes smaller, as people won't have to download languages they don't speak. 

    I know this suggestion isn't exactly elegant, but I do hope it's helpful. =) As always, keep up the great work! 

The original audio track should always be included as the default option. Do I seriously need to explain why?

Also, why is Spanish included in the NA version with French mysteriously absent? And what if, say, I want to grab the original audio track, because that's how I watch Star Wars, AND as a non-native English speaker I feel the need to have a shoddy European TV dub alongisde the original track for nostalgia reasons?

What if I'm crazy enough to feel the need to listen to the commentary, but I have the misfortune to not be Japanese and/or I want English audio as opposed to the Japanese dub? For that reason alone I'll have to download yet another version?

If you really want to split everything, the only sensible way would be to create a separate version for every language, basically. All English tracks plus the commentary tracks in every version, and on top of that a foreign language. That's if you really want to save space (because according to what you've written in your suggestion you in fact don't save any space since you're maximizing all eight slots). Or just every English track+commentary+whatever languages there's space left for.

Interesting on multiAVCHD. Haven't tried that.. willing to sacrifice a disc though! Might have time to mess with it this week.

HanDuet said:

Why such harsh responses to ScruffyNerfHerder's idea? It was clearly just a rough draft suggestion offered as a possible solution to the 8 audio track limitations Harmy's encountered. I think he clearly understands it's not the ideal arrangement, but it's better than nothing at all.

Hopefully the multiAVCHD lead will produce the results we want. Either way, thanks for providing food for thought, Scruffy.

It don't think I was harsh. Lumping all foreign dubs into a single release without even considering the inclusion of the original audio track is a terrible idea, and his saving space reasoning didn't make any sense. Instead of making everything more comfortable for everyone involved, it achieves the exact opposite: it needlessly complicates the situation, it satisfies only those who don't care for audio tracks other than the original to begin with (this includes the dubs as well as the commentary), and it creates heaps of additional work for Harmy on top of all that. Hence my criticism.

I could've been harsh if I decided to take the lack of English audio in that European release as a personal insult (this IS the Internet, after all), but I decided against it ;)

Yeah, finding a program that allows more than 8 audio tracks is hard tbh, for the BR I authored I just cut out some useless audio tracks I was never gonna use.

Sadly making two timelines in Adobe Encore takes double the space despite using the same assets, godknows why.

Harmy said:

By the way, has anyone actually tried making and exporting the menu in multiAVCHD? Because here it says this:

Menu support:

Maximum number of titles: 252
Maximum number of hidden titles: 251
Maximum number of subtitles per title: 32
Maximum number of chapters per title: 96
>> Maximum number of audio tracks per title: 32
Welcome screen / Intro title: 1

When you preview the menu in multiAVCHD, it shows only six tracks in that small box but that is only static preview with no actual functions, so I thought maybe, when you create the menu, it might actually scroll down to the others but I have yet to figure out a way to test this without actually creating and burning the whole disc.

That's what I thought as well. Wasted a disc. You can only choose between the first 6 audio tracks in the menu. If you want to listen to any other audio tracks, you have to switch with the AUDIO button of your remote while the movie is playing.

Could be worse, the English audio tracks are most in need of description anyway.  If you're stuck with 6 displayable tracks but can access all of them, then the best option in that case would be to order them with the 3 English '77 mixes, 2 English Laserdisc mixes, and commentary first, then the rest by alphabetical order (would have to choose how to refer to the languages, though, German or Deutsch, Spanish or Espanol, for example).  Heck, you could even have a menu page with a static image of text explaining all that.

Static text on a menu page stating which track number has what could take care of that, if nothing better comes along.

Harmy said:

Well, I thought about that, and the foreign languages wouldn't be a problem, because when selecting tracks with remote, you can see the language of the track but then you have 4 different commentaries, an isolated score track, commentary for blind and stuff, which all need description.

 The commentary for the blind doesn't need a description 

AntcuFaalb said:

michaelkirschner said:

Harmy said:

Well, I thought about that, and the foreign languages wouldn't be a problem, because when selecting tracks with remote, you can see the language of the track but then you have 4 different commentaries, an isolated score track, commentary for blind and stuff, which all need description.

 The commentary for the blind doesn't need a description 

Well, an audio one would be helpful (e.g., "This is the commentary for the blind audio track!"), but how would a blind person navigate to it to find it?

 Warmer, warmer, warmer, you're on fire!, ice cold

Oh, my lord, I saw the movie and used the latin Spanish dub and wanted to cry, such an incredible and amazing job, wonderfull, I'm so greatfull :]

Thanks jedi master, thanks a lot!!!!

Not sure if this is against the rules, but every time I have attempted to download star wars from myspleen i can never find any seeders. I was wondering if I could pay someone to burn a copy of Star Wars, Empire and Jedi. All I would be paying is the cost of blu-ray disc(s) and shipping. I own copies of the OT on blu-ray, but I want to see them again in their true form. I would truly appreciate it if someone would like to help me out.

JayFank said:

Not sure if this is against the rules, but every time I have attempted to download star wars from myspleen i can never find any seeders. I was wondering if I could pay someone to burn a copy of Star Wars, Empire and Jedi. All I would be paying is the cost of blu-ray disc(s) and shipping. I own copies of the OT on blu-ray, but I want to see them again in their true form. I would truly appreciate it if someone would like to help me out.

 There are 119 seeders at the moment.  You should have absolutely no problem downloading it.  I highly recommend 'Utorrent' as the program to download it with.  The only possible problematic thing I can think of would be if you messed with the Preferences royally. 

stretch009 said:

JayFank said:

Not sure if this is against the rules, but every time I have attempted to download star wars from myspleen i can never find any seeders. I was wondering if I could pay someone to burn a copy of Star Wars, Empire and Jedi. All I would be paying is the cost of blu-ray disc(s) and shipping. I own copies of the OT on blu-ray, but I want to see them again in their true form. I would truly appreciate it if someone would like to help me out.

 There are 119 seeders at the moment.  You should have absolutely no problem downloading it.  I highly recommend 'Utorrent' as the program to download it with.  The only possible problematic thing I can think of would be if you messed with the Preferences royally. 

That did work, and I'm downloading now. However, I do not have a Blu-ray burner, so will not be able to watch them that way, however. Unless someone has an idea?

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