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Not that’s a bad thing, as the man has never done a single thing I didn’t agree with. This is for all you Vader hatersm um I mean Lucas haters out there. You complain that he keeps updating and changing the Star Wars films. Well, you guys do the same thing, keep re-releasing your projects with better transfers and stuff like that. Yet when Mr. Lucas does it, yall get mad. And there’s like what, 1000 different DVDr versions of the OT? At least there is only ONE official release (so far). And what’s with the Muppet show and various other things on like every collection? C’mon, aint once enough for each special? I suppose the difference is that you guys, unlike Lucas, allow people to CHOOSE. Whatever. The similarities to you people and George Lucas are still uncanny. It like a double standard or something. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Anyway, I’m still sticking with my thing that if you want the OOOOOOOT or whatever the heck we are calling it these days, just get a damn DVD-R of it and be done with it. No need for an official release. I doubt I would buy the original unaltered versions if they were ever released. I’ve already got 'em. (Well as soon as I get the ISO mixes of Empire and Jedi that is) It’s much more fun for me to buy and watch the (to me) superior mega never-ending updated versions. (Though I do think that the 2007/ 3D versions will be the last updates forever, at least on DVD) Anyone care to bet on that?

George Lucas (and all of his changes) rules! I LOVE the prequels. And I am dead serious. At times I like em better than Trilogy 2. (That should be the names- Star Wars Trilogy 1 (1-3) and Trilogy 2 (3-6). Actually Star Wars Saga is better.)

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Oh. My. Golly!

You all know- he's right! He's absolutely right! We never, ever, ever thought of it like that!

With one stupendous post we have all had our ears boxed and our silly little deluded lives put straight.

My bags are now packed. I for one am renouncing everything I've said or read here at the fourms and going right out to buy whatever current version of SW on DVD is available. Oh wait- I *am* George Lucas, so I don't *have* to buy it.

I'm having such an identity crisis! Who am I.... help me.... help me...
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oh and just in case you weren't sure marioxb...

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Okay, once again...... I think almost everyone on this board has said, we don't give a %*#@ how many changes Lucas makes to the saga. He can edit it until the cows come home. But not if that's the only version he releases! By doing that he's forcing the changes down our throat. And the fact is, his screw ups in the seventies and eighties were ten times better than his greatest sucesses in the most recent years.

My biggest problem with him is NOT his penchant for editing and re-editing, but his unrestrained affinity for dwarves, badly executed cgi, fart jokes, and any other "gumdrops and lollipops" that will feed his marketing empire. In the 70's, he was a visionary of the independant film movement, rebelling and spitting in the eye of the evil corporate studios. But, now he has become the very thing he had sworn to destroy.

So, if he's intent on editing it his way, and not providing us with the original, while turning the long-awaited backstory into a trainwreck that looked like something the bloated corpse of Walt Disney barfed up... (Okay, that was harsh) ...Then I say "screw it, I'm editing it my way". And I encourage the rest of you who spend time on message boards bitching about the things you hate about the saga and how Lucas dropped the ball to do the same. You don't like it? Edit it to your satisfaction then. Or bitch about it to someone who's in the process of making an edit with the hopes that they'll address your problems.

Even if the Prequels were bad, there are some good things about them. They can be rebuilt. They can be made better. And the OT can and has been returned to its original glory.

Like a kid with an alcoholic parent, I just think there's something within all of us that has such a love for Star Wars that it compells us to want to make it right. Call it an intervention on behalf of our childhood.

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Originally posted by: marioxb
You complain that he keeps updating and changing the Star Wars films. Well, you guys do the same thing, keep re-releasing your projects with better transfers and stuff like that. Yet when Mr. Lucas does it, yall get mad. And there's like what, 1000 different DVDr versions of the OT?
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Anyway, I'm still sticking with my thing that if you want the OOOOOOOT or whatever the heck we are calling it these days, just get a damn DVD-R of it and be done with it. No need for an official release. I doubt I would buy the original unaltered versions if they were ever released. I've already got 'em. (Well as soon as I get the ISO mixes of Empire and Jedi that is) It's much more fun for me to buy and watch the (to me) superior mega never-ending updated versions.


So....you hate the fact that newer versions of the OOT keep being released with continually better LD transfers, yet you feel content with the ISOMIX trilogy and the Official DVDs?

Halleluia! I have seen the light!!! That's it guys, I'm getting the Spyder Trilogy and calling it quits. No more XØ Project.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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I knew from the beginning this guy was a troll. Sad, really.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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It's not that. I like the original versions, they just don't have to be super duper quality for me. I like the ones that have the isolated score and subtitles in case I ever feel like watching it that way. I just prefer the updated versions because I love the changes (I honestly could care less about Greedo. It doesn't change the Han character at all for me. In fact I never would have noticed if the internet didn't tell me Plus I really, really like seeing Hayden Christsensen at the end of Jedi. It really completes the saga for me, as Anakin and Mace Windu died simulataniously) and I love the prequels. I came to this site mostly for the fan made bonus material stuff. Not because of my love for the "pure" versions. One copy of each thing is just fine for me. One version of each 2004 movie, one version of each 1997 release (need to find these), one version of each theatrical movie, (the latter two not because I prefer them, just to have) and one version of each special/ making of thingie.
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"I like the original versions, they just don't have to be super duper quality for me."

Well, myself and many others apparently have much higher standards than you and your buddy George.

Anyways, you've pretty much burned out your welcome here with this thread. You might want to stick to lurking like you did at TF.n.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: zion
No more XØ Project.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
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In the new forum software, you'll be able to view a list of people who have you on their ignore list when you view your user stats. I decided to incorporate this feature so it gives a hint to people just how annoying they might be.

I predict a long, long list for you.
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LOL.....that is an EXCELLENT idea, Jay.

[EDIT] Too bad it won't be something everyone can see, boardwide.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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"It like a double standard or something."

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Nevermind. I was just kinda trying to be funny. But it really does get confusing trying to figure out which version of a patricular fan made thingie to get. I don't have enough time or HD space to download them all to compare. And I really do like the OOT, just simply prefer the DVD versions and love the prequels to death.

I just really don't understand the hate for the prequels and the SE's/ Super SE's. The originals are cool, I don't hate em. I just like it seeming that they were filmed AFTER Revenge of the Sith. That's the intention. Having the 2004DVDs WITH all of the changes is the ONLY way that is possible.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
I just really don't understand the hate for the prequels and the SE's/ Super SE's. The originals are cool, I don't hate em. I just like it seeming that they were filmed AFTER Revenge of the Sith. That's the intention. Having the 2004DVDs WITH all of the changes is the ONLY way that is possible.


Direct evidence that Lucas didn't have the backstory all planned out when he wrote IV, V, and VI, because if he did, changes to the original to accommodate the prequels wouldn't be necessary.

Lucas should've stayed true to the original vision and written well-thought-out prequel scripts instead of "fixing" the OOT so everything fit together.

An ounce of prevention (intelligent prequel scripts) is worth a pound of cure (rewriting the OOT).
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OK, but in all honesty (I posted this in another thread), exactly WHAT was changed ONLY to conform to the prequels? This is all I can come up with:

Boba Fett's voice
Anakin ghost/ eye color/ eyebrows
a couple of minor edits to the ending celebration
(someone else pointed out) the Krayt dragon or whatever call was changed into noise of the thingie Obi rode in Sith

Now, don't say the emperor, because that change should have been made A LONG TIME ago. You know, way back in 1997. I know the dialouge is negligable, but the monkey lady.. no way. I mean it was either this or change Ian in RotJ into the monkey lady. It never should have been two different people, even before the prequels were made.

I challenge someone to find things that were changed besides the four (maybe five) I posted above that were changed because of the prequels. Everything else was changed simply to improve the effects/ original vision, but not because of the prequels. I mean most of the changes were made in 1997 two years before Phantom Menace!
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You call the couple of edits to the ending celebration minor???

I challenge someone to find things that were changed besides the four (maybe five) I posted above that were changed because of the prequels.
How about lightsabers?
Or the color of lasers?
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For the celebration, I am only referring to the changes that were made AFTER 1997. Naboo with a gungan saying "Wesa free!", jedi temple, emperor statue falling.

The lightsabers effects were simply made to look better.
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Please, the lightsabers on the 2004 DVDs look like they were Photoshopped by a retarded 6-year-old. Compare them to the prequels, even, there's a world of damn difference.

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Made to look better by jumping from twelve different shades of one color in the span of four or five shots?

Nah. It's called half-assing it.

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The tone of the original post is trollish, but it's more misinformed than anything. It doesn't draw the clear distinction between preservation projects and fan edits, which are two diametrically opposed concepts. One supports preserving the original work in the best possible manner. As technology improves, so will the quality of preservation projects. The other supports changing a given work in some manner that sets it apart from the original.

Not to sound like I'm trumping the issue, I've said many times that I feel that fan editors (myself included especially) are behaving exactly like Lucas. If anything, his tinkering has invited us to tinker ourselves. If there is no single definitive edition, and is subject to constant revision while being marketed as "The Original Trilogy," well, fan edits are completely on the table. So I've said many times before what the initial post of this thread says. It doesn't offend me to be compared to Lucas when it comes to incessant tinkering. It's how I learn, and if it makes Star Wars interesting to me after 500 viewings, then it's nice to still give a damn.

The original post also lambasts redundancy, failing to to take into account that all the various fan edits have been done by different people, usually isolated from each other. Given that fan editors don't work for a company and don't belong to a committee, the work may be both redundant and disjointed at the same time. Fan Editor A may make change x and y, while Fan Editor B may make change y and z. It's rare that editor A is colluding with editor B on any given change. (Hey Darth Editous and MBJ, if you're reading, thanks again for all the help on the crawls and fixes; you're the exception to my rule.)

Same goes for redundant bonus features. Who cares if more than one guy likes a particular piece of SW history enough to make it available? I mean, aside from The Henson Company, is anybody else's nose out of joint about having The Muppet Show episode on a couple of different discs?

And I agree, the 2007/3D version will probably be the last updates on DVD. Then there will be a whole bunch of new updates for Blu-Ray. Lucas will continue to tinker. Then so will his kids after he's gone. That's OK; it makes it easier for us to do the same.

In summation, with all of the logic of the original post debunked, if you don't have something constructive to add: HACAASASTFU.

There is one and only one part of the original post we should all take issue with:
just get a damn DVD-R of it and be done with it. No need for an official release. I doubt I would buy the original unaltered versions if they were ever released. I've already got 'em. (Well as soon as I get the ISO mixes of Empire and Jedi that is).

Jay, how does this apply to the newly clarified forum rules? Sounds like he's supporting piracy to me. I for one continue to believe that format is irrelevant, but we should all have one properly licensed source for any title in our collection.
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For what it's worth, I love what some of the better fan editors are doing. Keep it up. If I had the skizilzz I'd be doing it too. God bless you Phantom Editor, and ADM, and Magnoliafan, and Fanfiltration, and OCPMovie dude, and Darth Editous, and Blacksvn, and CBB group, and Greencapt for the De-Assified, and anyone else that's made a fan edit, or extended edition, that I have had the pleasure of downloading. If someone can do a better job using the same material as the filmakers, as long as it's not sold, great. That I can now actually watch The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones in fan-edited forms, and enjoy them, is a good thing. You know what, I didn't evem read all of the first poster's...post. I saw enough to make me throw my two-cent-defense into the mix. Keep it up, fellows.
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^^Ya I agree, and thanks to all the awesome editor we have here it makes unwachtable parts better and stuff. At least these people come up with better ideas that GL when editing. I Mean Mongaliafan made Jar Jar from annoying to kinda Han Solo-ish
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
^^Ya I agree, and thanks to all the awesome editor we have here it makes unwachtable parts better and stuff. At least these people come up with better ideas that GL when editing. I Mean Mongaliafan made Jar Jar from annoying to kinda Han Solo-ish



I agree as well, I love watching the fan-edits especially ADMs, Darth Editious and Magnoliafans "vision" of the film(s), they have made the films better in some ways with their edits and more enjoyable, I also appreciate people like OCPmovie and the preservers for their hard work in getting the OOT onto DVD so I can watch them again on a decent format.
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"The original post also lambasts redundancy, failing to to take into account that all the various fan edits have been done by different people, usually isolated from each other."

Agreed. We don't have the money, resourses, or masters like Lucas does, but we certainly beat him when it comes to determination to make the OOT the best it can be for the fans who want it.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>