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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread — Page 470

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NeverarGreat said:

I think I realize why so many people don’t like The Last Jedi.

It smirks.

For all of it’s faults, The Force Awakens doesn’t try to be clever. It doesn’t smirk; it’s earnest.

Of course, The Rise of Skywalker is the worst of both worlds as neither clever nor earnest.

TFA played it safe, TLJ took risks, and TROS was a lost mess.

TFA captured the heart of SW, but did not infuse enough new material.

TLJ captured the intensity of SW’ darker side, and could have been a master stroke had it respected the OT cast.

TROS was fan fiction, what happens when playing it safe and taking risks in the last two films did not go over well.

“There is a tremor in the Force.”

“Give yourself to the dark side.” -Lord Vader

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Dave Filoni is a terrible storyteller.

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People still like Star Wars? How embarrassing.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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I still like Star Wars … from a certain point of view.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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Superweapon VII said:

I still like Star Wars … from a certain point of view.

Same. My response is another galaxy, another time. To paraphrase the opening of the Star Wars novelization.

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I recommend you check out Ahsoka Ep5: Shadow Warrior. It was a love letter to prequel and clone wars fans.

“There is a tremor in the Force.”

“Give yourself to the dark side.” -Lord Vader

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Spartacus01 said:

Okay guys, it took me years to figure it out, and for a long time I was in denial, but now I can’t deny it anymore: I don’t like the way they portrayed Anakin in the Prequels. I tried to find all the possible excuses to go against what George Lucas says about the character and have my own interpretation, but in the end I realized that it’s much easier to say openly that I don’t like how the character was portrayed. I don’t like the way the character was portrayed, I don’t like the reasons they gave him to fall to the Dark Side, I don’t like anything about his character arc. Plein and simple. By that, I don’t mean that I don’t like the Prequels as movies, I just don’t like the way George Lucas did Anakin. I much prefer the Anakin that’s in my head (and that will soon be in my Prequel edits).

Yeah… I understand the pain. It’s a long healing process. (Also, insert some stupid outdated joke about 2005 calling and wanting its conclusions back or whatever.)

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NeverarGreat said:

This is not to say that I don’t like the movie. TLJ is the sequel I have the most respect for, since it seems to be trying to say something. But the way it treats the characters and the universe seems almost flippant at times, even toward story elements of its own invention.

Who cares about Anakin’s/Luke’s lightsaber?
Who cares about Snoke?
Who cares about Hux, the First Order, or even the Resistance?
Who cares about the Sacred Jedi Texts?

Whereas prior Star Wars movies would earnestly engage with their own universe and story, this one pulls back and asks: who cares? Instead of pitting good versus evil, or even one side versus another, the story asks whether or not we should even care at all. Even if eventually the answer is yes, we should care, as it seems to be saying in the end, the question still hangs over the entire enterprise and feels like a mutation of something deep in the DNA of this surrealist fantasy. It is the dreamer pinching themselves and wondering why they don’t simply awaken from the dream, which is both the most unique strength of the film and also its greatest weakness.

Just a weird movie, and difficult to describe.

TLJ has a lot of “meta” in it. Like Rey makes a joke about how the Force is just “lifting rocks.” But why would she think this? Did she watch The Empire Strikes Back? Clearly, that line winks to the audience. This sort of self-referential meta-humor or irony never existed in the OT or PT. It’s very postmodern or more accurately metamodern. Lucas was always sincere and straightforward, working with classic archetypes. TLJ, not so much.

Now, I absolutely hate TLJ, but I also respect it. It’s basically a “deconstruction”, a semi-self-aware satire of Star Wars itself. But it’s not outright parody like Spaceballs. It mostly takes itself seriously. Luke blatantly says “Do you really expect me to just whip out my laser sword and kick ass?” or something. I mean, yeah… we did expect that. But TLJ is telling us we were stupid to expect such a predictable, unironic thing. (Except then Luke actually does this at the end… sort of.)

Even the “big reveal” that Rey’s parents were nobodies has more significance to the audience than Rey herself. Like, why would she have expected her parents to be anybody significant? The audience was speculating that Rey could be a Skywalker or a Kenobi. That reveal subverted audience expectations more so than it functioned as game-changing new info for Rey herself. (Then it was retconned anyway. What a mess.)

The movie is ultimately about moving on from the past - or at least not venerating the legends of the past, and instead looking inward to the self in order to move forward into the future.

It’s an interesting take on Star Wars, but in my opinion not appropriate for one of the main line movies. Also, for an actual spiritual successor to Spaceballs, see Rise of Skywalker, directed by Mel Brooks.

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It’s amazing how much the animation has improved from the early days of TCW to the Bad Batch.

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The timeline of the Clone Wars Multimedia Project is far more consistent and works way better if you remove Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars show from it.

“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker

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Spartacus01 said:

The timeline of the Clone Wars Multimedia Project is far more consistent and works way better if you remove Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars show from it.

Wouldn’t there still be many consistency issues with the rest of the 2002-2007 Clone Wars MMP? And other content from that pre-“2008 TCW” era lore and material (such as the Republic Commando series and video game)?

“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas

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Today* marks the 10th anniversary of the old EU being decanonized.

*Well, for me–it’s probably yesterday for where a lot of you guys live

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Gandalf the Cyan said:

Today* marks the 10th anniversary of the old EU being decanonized.

*Well, for me–it’s probably yesterday for where a lot of you guys live

Time flies! ScreenRant ran a couple of articles on this yesterday (or today, maybe? lol):

10 Years Ago Today, Star Wars Made The Biggest Continuity Change In Its 47-Year History: Canon, EU, & Legends Explained

Star Wars’ “Legends” Rebrand Was A Mistake - But We Know What Way Would Have Worked
 

Canon, or rather any consistency across the stories and world building since 2014, stopped becoming a thing long ago. I am a broken record on this, but how can fans have any meaningful investment and immersion in the Star Wars universe when that consistency, worldbuilding, integrated storytelling, or canon, is contradicted or retconned in later stories? The quotes from Lucasfilm people in the announcements at the time are almost laughable considering what has happened since:

An Index & Help Thread for _The Expanded Universe:
 

Lucasfilm clarifies the future of the EU (a 2014 thread; re the 25th April Lucasfilm announcement about the EU; Legends & Canon)

The Star Wars Expanded Universe: Past, Present, & Future (2014 official Star Wars ‘Legends/Canon’ announcement video)

^ “We now have a story department that so that there truly can be one consistent narrative - and that’s always been the dream. I think the idea of aligning the content is really fantastic and exciting opportunity that no other fictional universe could even support. We’re going to be able to bring fans a unified vision in a way that we’ve never done before. And I think it’s a also sacred trust to be invited to be telling stories inside this universe because it’s so precious to people, and I understand because it’s precious to me.” - Lucasfilm VIPs.

and:

^ “It feels real when everything is in line. And I think that is the challenge for all of us going forward with Star Wars. How are we responsible with what was? And how do we still move forward even if things become very different? I think the EU will be a legacy that is mined forever.” - Dave Filoni.

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas