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Snoke is a hologram not a force projection.

Han: Hey Lando! You kept your promise, right? Not a scratch?
Lando: Well, what’s left of her isn’t scratched. All the scratched parts got knocked off along the way.
Han (exasperated): Knocked off?!

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NeverarGreat said:

I think Luke’s death would have worked if it felt in any way inevitable. I remember watching it for the first time and thinking ‘Oh that’s neat, Luke made an illusion so that he could live’, and then he goes and dies immediately afterwards. Sure, it’s established that Rey would die if she projected herself across the galaxy, but Snoke can do it without breaking a sweat so it just makes Luke canonically no more powerful than Rey and weaker than Snoke, a guy who dies in one of the most embarrassing ways imaginable.

It’s basically my problem with Anakin Skywalker being a “Chosen One”.

We’re constantly told how special Anakin is and how strong he is in the Force but he never does anything out of the ordinary in terms of using the Force. He doesn’t stand out from any other Force wielder who came before.

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fmalover said:

NeverarGreat said:

I think Luke’s death would have worked if it felt in any way inevitable. I remember watching it for the first time and thinking ‘Oh that’s neat, Luke made an illusion so that he could live’, and then he goes and dies immediately afterwards. Sure, it’s established that Rey would die if she projected herself across the galaxy, but Snoke can do it without breaking a sweat so it just makes Luke canonically no more powerful than Rey and weaker than Snoke, a guy who dies in one of the most embarrassing ways imaginable.

It’s basically my problem with Anakin Skywalker being a “Chosen One”.

We’re constantly told how special Anakin is and how strong he is in the Force but he never does anything out of the ordinary in terms of using the Force. He doesn’t stand out from any other Force wielder who came before.

How much better would it have been if none of the Force powers displayed in the OT (aside from the ones demonstrated by Ben in ANH) were used in the PT, except by Anakin. Then the “Chosen One” angle would’ve felt more organic.

“Mythology is not a lie, mythology is poetry, it is metaphorical. It has been well said that mythology is the penultimate truth — penultimate because the ultimate cannot be put into words. It is beyond words. Beyond images, beyond that bounding rim of the Buddhist Wheel of Becoming. Mythology pitches the mind beyond that rim, to what can be known but not told.”

― Joseph Campbell

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I’d have liked for RJ to tweak things after Carrie passed so that Luke could survive TLJ and give Trevorrow a bone.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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I was thinking the other day about the final scene of ANH, particularly how it might be treated in an Andor-style show set just after ANH.

I’ve always assumed that the medal ceremony was a great way to end a film but a terrible decision from an in-universe tactical viewpoint, but actually it could serve a critical propaganda role. If that ceremony were broadcast out into the universe, it would send the message that not only did the Rebel Alliance destroy the Death Star, but it was destroyed by just a single lowly pilot with the aid of his friends. Furthermore, the Alliance feels so confident in their victory that they are willing to remain at their base even as the Empire moves to regroup and strike back.

I can imagine a Nemik-style manifesto inspired by this:

“And so in a single brilliant flash worlds across the despairing galaxy saw something impossible; not the quarreling factions of the so-called Alliance, but a vision of unity. A farmhand, a smuggler, a Wookiee, even two lowly droids, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the leaders of the Rebel Alliance and a Senator of the assassinated Old Republic. This was the real coup that turned Imperial blood to ice. The loss of their superweapon was a blow to the Empire’s materiel and money…but this vision of unity in the face of annihilation obliterated their thesis of order, the crucible of their unassailable power.”

You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)

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NeverarGreat said:

Pre 1999 Yoda: Spiritual guru living in harmony with nature.

Post 1999 Yoda: Deadbeat father and military leader of a child-kidnapping cult who advocates for book burning.

I don’t think it is a contradiction, rather just character development. That is, Yoda became what he was before 1999 because he learned from the mistakes he made in post-1999 media. For example: yes, in Empire Strikes Back he says that war makes no one great. But why he says that? Because he made a lot of mistakes, and by participating in the Clone Wars he learned first hand that war his shit and makes no one great.

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Spartacus01 said:

NeverarGreat said:

Pre 1999 Yoda: Spiritual guru living in harmony with nature.

Post 1999 Yoda: Deadbeat father and military leader of a child-kidnapping cult who advocates for book burning.

I don’t think it is a contradiction, rather just character development. That is, Yoda became what he was before 1999 because he learned from the mistakes he made in post-1999 media. For example: yes, in Empire Strikes Back he says that war makes no one great. But why he says that? Because he made a lot of mistakes, and by participating in the Clone Wars he learned first hand that war his shit and makes no one great.

I think Lucas himself kind of debunked that. He said that Yoda couldn’t really have done anything different. He was just manipulated into a no-win situation.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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I think Lucas himself kind of debunked that. He said that Yoda couldn’t really have done anything different. He was just manipulated into a no-win situation.

Yes, because Lucas has a fetish for the Jedi, so the Jedi can’t be wrong and saint Yoda is always right, especially when… well… he tells you to just do nothing but be happy when people around you dies.

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Spartacus01 said:

I think Lucas himself kind of debunked that. He said that Yoda couldn’t really have done anything different. He was just manipulated into a no-win situation.

Yes, because Lucas has a fetish for the Jedi, so the Jedi can’t be wrong and saint Yoda is always right, especially when… well… he tells you to just do nothing but be happy when people around you dies.

Not saying I agree with Lucas. Just saying it wasn’t an intentional character arc.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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Servii said:

Spartacus01 said:

I think Lucas himself kind of debunked that. He said that Yoda couldn’t really have done anything different. He was just manipulated into a no-win situation.

Yes, because Lucas has a fetish for the Jedi, so the Jedi can’t be wrong and saint Yoda is always right, especially when… well… he tells you to just do nothing but be happy when people around you dies.

Not saying I agree with Lucas. Just saying it wasn’t an intentional character arc.

Yes, I know you don’t agree with him haha. Well, I think that even if it’s not an intentional character arc, it’s still a nice way to see It.

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Spartacus01 said:

Servii said:

Spartacus01 said:

I think Lucas himself kind of debunked that. He said that Yoda couldn’t really have done anything different. He was just manipulated into a no-win situation.

Yes, because Lucas has a fetish for the Jedi, so the Jedi can’t be wrong and saint Yoda is always right, especially when… well… he tells you to just do nothing but be happy when people around you dies.

Not saying I agree with Lucas. Just saying it wasn’t an intentional character arc.

Yes, I know you don’t agree with him haha. Well, I think that even if it’s not an intentional character arc, it’s still a nice way to see It.

Yeah, I think so, too.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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Those crazy pressed Bootleg DVDs! There were a ton of those and I even had the Five Star Collection DVD Bootlegs, was the 1997 Special Edition versions but LD to DVD and not scanning film, prior to the 2004 Original Trilogy DVDs, 2004 version of course for that. Didn’t have any of the other pressed bootlegs besides that one.
http://www.swonvideo.com/
Interesting!

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Sometimes it seems to me that the different categories of Star Wars fans find themselves arguing about non-existing problems. I mean, the fandom and the Saga are big enough to accommodate everyone’s opinion. But despite this, we find ourselves having endless arguments among the fans when it’s absolutely not necessary, as there are simple solutions that can satisfy everyone.

For example: if you don’t like the Sequels, then there is the EU; if you don’t like either of them, then there are a lot of fanfictions that can replace both. If you don’t like the Prequels, then there are a lot of fanfictions and rewrites out there, or maybe you can create something on your own; if you like the ideas but not the execution, then there are the novelizations. If you don’t like TCW, then there is the Multimedia Project; if you don’t like either of them, then there are a lot of fanfictions that can replace both. If you like the EU but not the current Canon, then just ignore the current Canon, just pretend it doesn’t exist; if you don’t like either of them, then again, there are a lot of fanfictions that can replace both.

There’s a ton of simple solutions that can satisfy everyone, and make everyone happy. But despite that, it seems that people don’t care, it almost seems that people like to attack each other for no reason. I don’t understand that…

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Spartacus01 said:

For example: if you don’t like the Sequels, then there is the EU; if you don’t like either of them, then there are a lot of fanfictions that can replace both. If you don’t like the Prequels, then there are a lot of fanfictions and rewrites out there, or maybe you can create something on your own; if you like the ideas but not the execution, then there are the novelizations. If you don’t like TCW, then there is the Multimedia Project; if you don’t like either of them, then there are a lot of fanfictions that can replace both. If you like the EU but not the current Canon, then just ignore the current Canon, just pretend it doesn’t exist; if you don’t like either of them, then again, there are a lot of fanfictions that can replace both.

But what if you don’t like fanfiction? 😛

“Mythology is not a lie, mythology is poetry, it is metaphorical. It has been well said that mythology is the penultimate truth — penultimate because the ultimate cannot be put into words. It is beyond words. Beyond images, beyond that bounding rim of the Buddhist Wheel of Becoming. Mythology pitches the mind beyond that rim, to what can be known but not told.”

― Joseph Campbell

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I just finished watching 4K80 and 4K83 back-to-back. I wondered beforehand whether watching RotJ right after ESB would make RotJ look bad by comparison, but it didn’t. In fact, it made me realize how well those two films go together. ESB is dark and gloomy and claustrophobic and full of setbacks for the heroes. RotJ is lighter and goofier and has everything fall into place by the end. It’s a kind of reprieve after the events of Empire. I think the trilogy needed that.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.