TV’s Frink said:
Also, I’M JEWISH.
And ? So you have a PhD on North African stereotypes ?
TV’s Frink said:
Also, I’M JEWISH.And ? So you have a PhD on North African stereotypes ?
Yes.
Interesting…
TV’s Frink said:
Also, I’M JEWISH.And ? So you have a PhD on North African stereotypes ?
Yes.
Sounds reasonable.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
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DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
How to tell if something is racist.
Do most average people of specific race in question find it offensive?
If yes, it is racist.
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And I’m not religious. So what am I?
You are an American.
真実
Against my better judgement…
TV’s Frink said:
There’s no Israel on Tatooine but Watto is still a racial stereotype.Oh God… where do I begin ? Let’s give it a try :
- there is no jewish race (nazis believed that, sionists still believe that, but this is bullshit), so Watto can’t be a jewish racial stereotype ;
http://chronicle.com/article/The-Chosen-Genes/131481/
But put that aside for a moment. If I’m Jewish, but I’m not religious, what does that mean?
- Israel is a country with jewish people, muslims people, North African immigrants of jewish religion and of semitic ancestry, and European immigrants of jewish religion but not of semitic ancestry; so I don’t quite see the point of talking about Israel here since this is not a “full” jewish country nor a “full” semitic country, and which does not represent any race or stereotype that could be found in TPM ;
“Israel” was shorthand for “country with a lot of Jewish people.” Your point is irrelevant anyway, as my point was that it is irrelevant to state there aren’t any Asian stereotypes in TPM because only the Asian actors are Asian. Earth does not exist in the Star Wars universe.
- so Watto is, AT MOST, a semitic racial stereotype. Watto is a slaver and a bad guy, and he looks like a bad guy you could find in North Africa/Middle East (or in the Steptoe/Sanford reference provided by yotsuya). It’s not subtle (Jabba is a bad guy who looks like a bad guy) but I fail to see why this would be racist/antisemite.
How is a Semitic racial stereotype better than a Jewish racial stereotype? You’re just splitting hairs.
Also, read this:
yotsuya said:
And Watto… seriously? Jewish? Why, because of the hat in Episode II… the Don Quixote metal hat? No, he is Steptoe/Sanford - a stereotypical junk dealer, not a Jewish knockoff. Just look at the pics of Steptoe - the long nose, the frequent unshaven appearance, the bad teeth, the narrow face. Watto doesn’t have a beard, he has stubble. There is a big difference. No, you reading more into this than there is. And there are plenty of people in this world who love money who aren’t Jewish, so claiming that has anything connection is really ridiculous, especially since it is just one of the many parallels Watto has with Steptoe and Sanford.
I read it. It’s ridiculous, just like everything else this person has posted on the subject. My favorite in that bit is “hey, Jews might love money, but other people do to, so it’s not a racial stereotype.” It fits right in with “the guy who played Jar Jar says it’s not a racial stereotype so it must not be” and “you can’t have an Asian stereotype if he’s too tall.”
And I’m not religious. So what am I?
You are an American.
That’s not a race.
And I’m not religious. So what am I?
You are an American.
That’s not a race.
Jewish is not a race either. Both are ethnicity. The only difference is that American is way younger of course.
From here you will have to make a judgement youself. Simply think about your daily life (language, culture, social life, etc.). I bet you would have way more in common with American.
真実
And I’m not religious. So what am I?
You are an American.
That’s not a race.
Jewish is not a race either. Both are ethnicity.
http://chronicle.com/article/The-Chosen-Genes/131481/
But again, so what? More hair splitting. Ethnically motivated stereotypes are somehow better than racially motivated ones?
And I’m not religious. So what am I?
You are an American.
That’s not a race.
Jewish is not a race either. Both are ethnicity.
http://chronicle.com/article/The-Chosen-Genes/131481/
But again, so what? More hair splitting. Ethnically motivated stereotypes are somehow better than racially motivated ones?
The answer to the latest (unrelated) question is no. What I was trying to do here is to answer the original question.
真実
The original question was not asked in a vacuum. So thanks for nothing.
It fits right in with “the guy who played Jar Jar says it’s not a racial stereotype so it must not be” and “you can’t have an Asian stereotype if he’s too tall.”
I agree with your debunking of his post, but I don’t think it’s fair to place my statement in the same league as that nonsense. My point was that the opinion of the black actor who played Jar Jar matters more than most when it comes to whether or not he is a racist character.
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And I’m not religious. So what am I?
You are an American.
That’s not a race.
You can be semitic, or armenian, or turkish, or slavs. It’s even possible you can be latin or nordic. I don’t know your genealogy, so please send me a blood sample so I can run a few tests. I’m not sure you really are jewish, regarding your claimed higher IQ (nice article you’ve posted by the way, not racist at all…).
edit: I think that again we won’t agree on anything, and since it’s your personal life you’ve brought up in the conversation I prefer not to keep on.
And I’m not religious. So what am I?
You are an American.
That’s not a race.
You can be semitic, or armenian, or turkish, or slavs. It’s even possible you can be latin or nordic. I don’t know your genealogy, so please send me a blood sample so I can run a few tests. I’m not sure you really are jewish, regarding your claimed higher IQ (nice article you’ve posted by the way, not racist at all…).
It fits right in with “the guy who played Jar Jar says it’s not a racial stereotype so it must not be” and “you can’t have an Asian stereotype if he’s too tall.”
I agree with your debunking of his post, but I don’t think it’s fair to place my statement in the same league as that nonsense. My point was that the opinion of the black actor who played Jar Jar matters more than most when it comes to whether or not he is a racist character.
Well, he said it too, so I was referring to him rather than you.
With that said, I don’t know if Ahmed Best actually believes what he says or not. Maybe he does. I don’t see how that automatically means he’s the only authority on the matter. You could argue he’s should recuse himself from the discussion for being too close to the character to see clearly.
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in the hopes of being constructive, i wonder how closely this “its racist” / “its not racist” point of view fits with age groups.
As someone in my 30s, i suspect that it is a younger generation that doesn’t see the racism, and an older generation that does.
In my opinion, just because you don’t realize something is racist doesn’t mean squat. There are plenty of times when i was younger that i thought things were just good clean humour and enjoyed them as such, but only later found out it had other meanings to other people.
And the idea that someone of a given race can speak to what is racist or not, that also stinks of viewing all people of one race as the same. sounds like stereotyping logic to me.
Are these movies trying to be hurtful in their character choices? i think we all agree on this, that the answer is NO.
Is there any possibility that these character choices hit at cultural stereotypes? lots of sci-fi and fantasy indulges in some level of cultural stereotyping. It is certainly there in the PT.
In my opinion, just because you don’t realize something is racist doesn’t mean squat. There are plenty of times when i was younger that i thought things were just good clean humour and enjoyed them as such, but only later found out it had other meanings to other people.
Very true. When I was a kid we played a game called “Smear the Queer” and I never gave it a second thought. Now I think back on that with revulsion.
People are still talking about this
Yes, i remember that game as well. live and learn.
How to tell if something is racist.
Do most average people of specific race in question find it offensive?
If yes, it is racist.
So, to answer this question, we only need to ask asian SW fans if they found the Neimoidians racist. It shouldn’t be too hard, I guess.
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
How to tell if something is racist.
Do most average people of specific race in question find it offensive?
If yes, it is racist.
So, to answer this question, we only need to ask asian SW fans if they found the Neimoidians racist. It shouldn’t be too hard, I guess.
How many average Asians do you know? Enough to be statistically significant?
And I’m not religious. So what am I?
You are an American.
That’s not a race.
You can be semitic, or armenian, or turkish, or slavs. It’s even possible you can be latin or nordic. I don’t know your genealogy, so please send me a blood sample so I can run a few tests. I’m not sure you really are jewish, regarding your claimed higher IQ (nice article you’ve posted by the way, not racist at all…).
- Your opinion of my “Jewishness” is irrelevant.
- I claimed a higher IQ? You must be confusing me with this guy.
- I will admit to only skimming the article, I was making reference to the genetic study. I’m curious what is racist about it, however, so perhaps you’d like to elaborate.
- I’m still waiting for you to explain why ANY of this is relevant to the question of TPM being full of stereotypes.
Still waiting…
How to tell if something is racist.
Do most average people of specific race in question find it offensive?
If yes, it is racist.
So, to answer this question, we only need to ask asian SW fans if they found the Neimoidians racist. It shouldn’t be too hard, I guess.
How many average Asians do you know? Enough to be statistically significant?
I’m just suggesting it could be done, and I’m actually curious to know what they think about it.
To answer your question, I know a Japanese. It may not be statistically significant, but I may try asking him his opinion on this subject.
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
Still waiting…
Get used to it