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Hey, *I* laughed.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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my bad, guess the increasing amount of stupid arguements/comments being made just got the best of me and I didnt take the comment as the joke it was.

sorry...

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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(pssst...tell him it was funny)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
stop with the reselling/redistributing non duplicated hard goods analogy.

buying something and giving it to someone else is the same thing a gift. there is still only one copy of it, and the makers of it got paid for that copy. when you duplicate and redistribute it its totally different (uploading/download duplicates the material)

If i buy a book and give it to a friend nothing is wrong...i bought the book for my friend. If i read the book first and then give it to my friend this is still acceptable (it makes me a cheap bastard who gives used stuff as gifts but that doesnt affect the company that made the book, ok,well it technically does because they sold 1 copy and 2 people read it, but no law (that i know of) was broken during this process). If i buy the book, photo copy all the pages, bind it together and give the copy to my friend i just broke copyright law (something about unlawful reproduction) there are now two copies. if my friend pays me for all the paper and binding materials i used to make the copy does that make it legal? no you still broke the law in making the copy for him. You can argue you didnt sell it (though you did cause you accepted money for it) more accuratly you didnt profit from it. but in a sense you did (providing your duplicating costs were less than buying the real thing, which if it wasnt your an idiot).

so what the hell does mixing apple jacks, cheerios, and cinnimon toast crunch into baggies have anything to do with anything. your not making bootleg product. there is the same amount of cereal present after you put it in the little baggies as there was when you bought it. The amount of cereal consumed by you and your friends with the baggies is the same as if you had bought the three boxes and ate them all yourself while watching reruns of General Hospital.

It doesnt matter if you hate the MPAA or not, illegally downloading/sharing copyrighted material is illegal. If you do it through legit methods (ie itunes) its a different story.

-Darth Simon




Good points.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Hey, *I* laughed.


Well thanks!

To become more serious, anyone may want to study the following site on copyright law:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Copyright

As recently as 1997-1998 I've taken courses on media law, and even at that time there was debate as to whether or not it was even legal to RESELL copyrighted items that you legally purchased! That includes books, CDs, etc... it is a wild and diverse point of controversy and will continue to be redefined as more and more technology comes into being.

But the short of it is this:
Obtaining any copyrighted materials without paying the copyright holder for the first purchase? ILLEGAL
Give, share, trade, re-sell? FUZZILY LEGAL
Selling multiple copies of copyrighted material for profit? ILLEGAL
Downloading copyrighted material? REAL LEGALITY STILL PENDING
Making your own decision as to what's the 'moral' thing to do? THAT'S UP TO YOU.
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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
my bad, guess the increasing amount of stupid arguements/comments being made just got the best of me and I didnt take the comment as the joke it was.

sorry...

-Darth Simon


S'cool, man! Much wookie-luv to go around!

EDIT: PS... I was thinking more of mixing Frankenberry, Booberry and Count Chocula....
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Originally posted by: greencapt
EDIT: PS... I was thinking more of mixing Frankenberry, Booberry and Count Chocula....


aww, but wheres the fun in that, my three had much more of a 'why are you mixing those' feel to them though thinking about it, some trix would add a nice splash of color

trix, cinnimon toast crunch (or maybe that french toast crunch), lucky charms (need the mallows) now theres a tasty combo

-Darth Simon

Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
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The french toast crunch is waaaay too sugary.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Asha
Look: I don't even download movies, but I find the FBI/Homeland Security's involvement in this both frightening and sickening. I mean ... it's only a movie, right? It's not as if these people were swapping the plans for the Death Star! So why are the feds involved?
From what I heard - and this is probably not very reliable - but this workprint wasn't leaked to a warez group by an industry insider in exchange for access to leet ftps full of porn and cracked software; it was stolen. By stolen I mean a proper, break in and take something without permission, sort of crime. And that's how the FBI got involved.

I don't know if that's true or not, but certainly this release didn't filter down through the usual route.

Anyway, that torrent site was one of the first to have it, and the FBI thought the administators of the site had something to do with the theft, or could help trace the thieves, and used that against them.

I must stress this is pretty conjectural.

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With a movie this large and long awaited, it isn't a surprise that this happened. Whether an insider duped the tape or it was stolen is pretty much irrelevant-I think the FBI would be involved either way due to its lap-dog status with the MPAA.
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Just saw some bootlegs copies of Sith on eBay, don't know whetever or not to actually place a bid.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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This is sarcasm, right?

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I don't know if that's true or not, but certainly this release didn't filter down through the usual route.


There are also persisting rumors that the print was leaked on purpose to snare peer-to-peer networks and their users. I wouldn't put it past Sheriff Murdoch.

Yeah, using the FBI to police a freakin' movie is what you get when you allow two or three companies to control the vast majority of all communications media. We're talking about companies that double-dip consumers by not only charging for dvds and ticket prices, but many of these companies are running or aiming to run the very high-speed internet services with which people download movies.

If the people who are downloading these films can chip away or force change upon the dysfunctional state of mass media/entertainment ... so be it. The companies aren't the "good guys." It's not going to be me doing the chipping in this manner ... but if the FBI is dragged into such frivolous matters, then the current media system definitely needs to be re-worked.

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"The companies aren't the "good guys.""

*sigh*

Neither are the downloaders.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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But no one downloading these movies is committing a crime worth wasting US resources over. In that, the companies here are the bigger bad guys. It's the equivalent of Palpatine ordering the Jedi Knights to assemble on Tatooine to battle Jawas while robot armies destroy Coursant.

Personally, I have a much bigger bone to pick with the recording industry for going after downloaders ... music was once freely shared via radio and tapes at a time when the industry was at its height. Such practices helped the industry when the industry was healthy. The music companies have tried to pin slumping sales on mp3's when the real problems are the price and quality of music ... and the fact that concerts are so expensive that people are rarely introduced to signed music acts via a live format.

The film industry was doing OK in my book by keeping the prices of DVDs within a reasonable range, so that's why I don't download ... I prefer having a legit DVD in my hand whenever possible. But I actually research old "lost" films for a host of sources ... and there are hundreds of films which are floating in limbo as a result of counterproductive copyright laws, incompetence, selfishness, and bad management within these film companies. If it weren't for bootleggers, many of these "lost" films wouldn't even exist anymore.

The people bootlegging Sith right now very well might be capturing a moment in history that we'll never see again ... the workprint/theatrical release. Who knows what Lucas will do to Sith on DVD?

Bootleggers have been a part of the film food chain for decades, and the practice is nowhere near as destructive as the MPAA is making it out to be. To pull such big guns on jawas is far more criminal than the crimes the jawas are guilty of.

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*sigh*


The FBI can kiss my ass.

*sigh*


Nobody is the good guy
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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"But no one downloading these movies is committing a crime worth wasting US resources over."

Ah, the so-called "victimless crime". Sure, it's illegal, but no one gets hurt, so why enforce it...

"It's the equivalent of Palpatine ordering the Jedi Knights to assemble on Tatooine to battle Jawas while robot armies destroy Coursant."

You are aware that the films are fiction, right?

"I prefer having a legit DVD in my hand whenever possible."

As do I.

"The people bootlegging Sith right now very well might be capturing a moment in history that we'll never see again ... the workprint/theatrical release. Who knows what Lucas will do to Sith on DVD?"

So now those people may be heroes? I hope you aren't referring to me, as my intentions were nowhere near that selfless, and I doubt any of the other downloaders' were either.

"and the practice is nowhere near as destructive as the MPAA is making it out to be. To pull such big guns on jawas is far more criminal than the crimes the jawas are guilty of."

LOL.....like sending C&D's and closing sites is any kind of threat to our rights. And please stop with the "Robin Hood" act - it simply does not apply.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Every time we exhale they tighten there grip on us, slowly but surely they will own us. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean your rights aren't being trampled on, slowly but surely till theres no life left.

And soon the "Robin Hood" act won't be an act anymore.

Back to sleep everyone........
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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[Chicken Little] "The Sky is falling" [/Chicken Little]

You two are too much.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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LOL. Isn't this fun? And I blame it all on Lucas.
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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No, it's not fun or funny. Extremists like you give these boards, and SW fans in general, a bad name.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Are you still taking donations for the xo project?
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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Lord knows what point you are going to attempt to stretch here, but I was working on my LD transfer long before coming to these boards, and have dropped a considerable amount of personal funds in the process. Other posters have asked to help out monetarily, and so they are being given that chance.

I know full well that the end product most likely breaks the law in some way or another. I've never denied that, and I've never tried to make myself out as a "Robin Hood" for this undertaking, though Lord knows *I* would have a hell of a lot more right to do so than you would.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Too the extreme, too the extreme, the only way to live!

No stretching here, just humble pie!!
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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So now those people may be heroes? I hope you aren't referring to me, as my intentions were nowhere near that selfless, and I doubt any of the other downloaders' were either.


I recently researched a film for BET that only exists today because someone illegally transferred the film to video in the 1980's. Not even the director has a copy ... the one or two surviving prints (which are unwatchable for the most part due to age) are incomplete. The bootlegger copied the film for profit but the end result was that he produced the only archived version of the movie. The film, by the way, is hung up in a copyright oroborus in which a studio ( a studio that has been re-aquired a dozen times since 1978) filed a copyright in 1978 but has no version of the film filed in the Library of Congress to accompany the copyright, and as such the film cannot be released by anyone ... including the current studio that technically owns the film ... until the copyright expires in like 75 years.

Point is: you can end up being a hero even though your motives are selfish. Happens all the time, in fact.

The business of mass media is rotting from within right now, and this FBI crackdown is another symptom of the disease. If you choose not to see it, that's your right. But it's not the first time that mass media has fallen ill .. the main difference between then and now is that the prognosis is looking pretty chilling.