Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 7

In this instance it means creating an ‘entertainment’ out of a set of memory cues rather than out of a series of events.
I wouldn’t mind the baton of Anakin’s saber being passed down if it hadn’t been so decisively discarded in ESB.

It was one of my many problems with the Thrawn trilogy.
Finding a hand and a saber in the bowels of Cloud City would literally be like looking for a needle in a haystack and this is from an Empire that couldn’t find Artoo and Threepio with a head start.

I had very little problem with the concept of passing the Falcon down (indeed elsewhere on these boards I suggest making the Falcon feature more in the PT to serve this purpose) but I would have had a better way of getting Han and Chewie there to reclaim their lost property.

As for all the other ‘remember when this happened’ moments it just got weary making.
Especially in a film with so much going for it that was missing in the prequels.
It’s okay to do that sort of thing in a pastiche comedy show like Venture Bros or once in a while but this sort of spot the reference game is what reduces my enjoyment of modern Doctor Who and demolished my enjoyment of Ash vs Evil Dead.

The Star Wars galaxy is big enough to do new things in and call backs and nods to the fans should be kept to a minimum for maximum impact and plausibility.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

It gave Rey her first step into a larger world. Sure her connection to the force could have been “ignited” by some other catalyst but it wasn’t.

Why the f did it have to be Anakin’s lightsabre specifically to do that? Some other random lightsabre would be just as good to serve the story.

Because that lightsaber has history…and if Rey is a Solo/Skywalker it’s hers by birthright

lack of originality

What the fuck does that even mean in this instance?

It mean exactly “lack of originality”. Why couldn’t they come up with some lightsabre from some owner not yet introduced? You know making something new? Something new? New?

Something new wasn’t warranted. Plot wise Anakin’s lightsaber makes a lot more sense than for her Force Abilities to be awakened by some Anonymous Jedi/Sith’s saber.

towne32 said:
“OMG Luke is alive but his beard didn’t survive VII.”

Now that I’ve seen the film I think I can make out the grave on Ireland Island.

Bingowings said:
I wouldn’t mind the baton of Anakin’s saber being passed down if it hadn’t been so decisively discarded in ESB.

Fair point but remember it was discarded…not destroyed

Perhaps Lucas wanted it to appear in his version of the ST

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

It gave Rey her first step into a larger world. Sure her connection to the force could have been “ignited” by some other catalyst but it wasn’t.

Why the f did it have to be Anakin’s lightsabre specifically to do that? Some other random lightsabre would be just as good to serve the story.

Because that lightsaber has history…and if Rey is a Solo/Skywalker it’s hers by birthright

Oh dear! This is the last thing we need. If they do something as stupid as this, ST will be much worse than PT.

lack of originality

What the fuck does that even mean in this instance?

It mean exactly “lack of originality”. Why couldn’t they come up with some lightsabre from some owner not yet introduced? You know making something new? Something new? New?

Something new wasn’t warranted. Plot wise Anakin’s lightsaber makes a lot more sense than for her Force Abilities to be awakened by some Anonymous Jedi/Sith’s saber.

Don’t be ridiculous…

Is this supposed to be ironic or something? If so I don’t get it…

LOL @ trying to explain design in Star Wars OT with supposed “engineering knowledge”.

Cloud city looked the way it looked for aesthetic and storytelling purposes. Not because of physics. This is Star Wars, ffs. Ships go ka-boom in space in these movies!

That’s just a lazy excuse, which is okay if it propels things forwards but sadly it’s more of a cannibalistic nostalgia thing.

Which eventually will run out of steam. In order to survive the series has to go beyond nostalgia (my main fear for Doctor Who too which still seems to think it’s in it’s 50th anniversary year).

Already the saga has done the whole good guys blowing up planet smasher routine twice.

For me that limit has already been passed.
My suspicion is that after receiving their first wave of training a force user will make a shocking boss/family discovery which will throw them off guard in the next episode.
It might not be the one I have been very vocal about but in terms of being parasitic on the two films that keep getting referenced it is the predictable element of the next episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrlPKW4mU30

Watch this space and maybe you will hear my sighs.

Bingowings said:
My suspicion is that after receiving their first wave of training a force user will make a shocking boss/family discovery which will throw them off guard in the next episode.

Wrong. Colin Trevorrow has stated that Rey’s origin will be explained in Episode IX

LUKES LIGHTZABER HAD TO BURN UP ON BESPIN IM AN ENGINEER AND I KNOW HOW MADE UP CITIES IN THE CLOUDS WORK

Lord Haseo said:

Bingowings said:
My suspicion is that after receiving their first wave of training a force user will make a shocking boss/family discovery which will throw them off guard in the next episode.

Wrong. Colin Trevorrow has stated that Rey’s origin will be explained in Episode IX

That’s not what I wrote, besides “KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNN!”

It has to make sense from a fantasy perspective.

If Magic Muscle Hero’s warrior bride has her head cut off she has to evoke the power of the sword God to return from the grave to lend a hand once.
If she just grows a new head back for convenience sake that becomes a new established ‘fantasy’ fact you can’t switch off without inventing a new ‘fantasy’ law.

Excalibur is purposely returned to the lady of the lake to be returned to the once and future king at the moment when he is needed to return.
It didn’t just fall into the sea.

ZkinandBonez said:

Also finding a piece of solid metal at the bottom of a pit isn’t exactly comparable to growing a new head.

I can’t wait to see impscum’s argument to the contrary.

ZkinandBonez said:

(heck the previously bright clouds even turn dark once it’s been revealed that the Empire set up a trap).

The clouds are meticulously engineered pieces of technology, specifically designed to trap. Everyone knows this.

TV’s Frink said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Also finding a piece of solid metal at the bottom of a pit isn’t exactly comparable to growing a new head.

I can’t wait to see impscum’s argument to the contrary.

Tell the forum, I was right…I was riiiiiiiighhhhtttttt…

imperialscum said:

ZkinandBonez said:

imperialscum said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Also finding a piece of solid metal at the bottom of a pit isn’t exactly comparable to growing a new head.

But finding something that was flow into the gas giant and disintegrated is.

Why do you keep insisting that it fell into the gas giant?

Because it did.

ZkinandBonez, there’s no point in arguing with this guy. He was there, he saw it happen, game over man.

imperialscum said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Why do you keep insisting that it fell into the gas giant?

Because it did.

Incredible. You’d really make a brilliant screenwriter.

Screenwriter? ESB was a documentary. Filmed by impscum.

ZkinandBonez said:

Luke got sucked into a tube in which he slid down to, not the end of the tube, but some point in the middle which happened to have a hatch that then dumped him on top of one of Cloud City’s antennas. That’s a pretty crappy waste disposal system. Imagine all the broken antennas, and all the crap that didn’t slide down and land precisely on that one hatch. Where does all that go then? To another antenna somewhere else? No, I have to strongly disagree, it is a very “bizarre thing,” that is if you have to attribute some engineering logic to it, which you really don’t. And if it does have a purpose, than I doubt that waste disposal is the answer.

FTR, the middle of the tube dumped him into a second tube, which then dumped him out to the antenna.