Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 24

Like I said, I’m really curious how this plays into Episode VIII, if at all. Will the Resistance meet, ehem, resistance from other planets not wanting to support them because it’s led by “The children of the Sith”? Bloodlines also did a much better job of showing an ineffective Republic than the Prequels did, So I can reasonably see them supporting the First Order because they actually get stuff done (not to mention that Bloodline implied that the First Order held a good chunk of the Senate to begin with).

I’ll allow it since having the public know makes for some very interesting drama.

Really want to check out that book.

They did hand-wave the recording with the implication that Bail had to have been paranoid over his own death to have hidden it away on another planet; Even Leia expected it to have been destroyed on Alderaan.

And yes, the Senate is actually that corrupt. A significant fraction of the Centrist’s elite are Empire Apologists, and the book ends with them putting a man to death because they were given a nice, quick excuse to do so, rather than actually reading through what Leia had discovered, even if the man in question was the man who did everything he could to make sure Leia’s message would be heard.

It’s not a perfect book, but they do at least try to explain things.

EDIT: I think I remember why it was in this one Governer’s holding. I believe it was implied he was supposed to have been taken the place as Leia’s Guardian if her parents died.

I really hope this material is going to be in EpVIII. The lack of context of TFA was a real issue. You can add politics in a SW without making it PT boring. ANH has many politics scenes that make the context very clear.

SW really had one political scene and that is when the officers are discussing the Emperor dissolving the Senate. Everything else we were taught about the political landscape was explained in the opening crawl.

• Opening crawl
• First exchange between Vader and Leia (and then with the Imperial officer)
• The long meeting with Tarkin
• The Ben/Luke sequence in Ben’s home (with Leia’s message)
• The Tarkin/Leia sequence
• And every little thing here and there that give an intuitive knowledge of who’s rulling the galaxy (stormtroopers who basically are the outer rim police; they have street spies; Starships; “that’s the real trick”; etc.)

ANH never lacks any useful information about what’s going on and who’s in charge, political context is in many sequences. It’s always crystal clear, nicely done, never boring or predictable, does not feel “obvious exposition”. Well, we’re talking about one of the best scripts ever written and one of the 2 or 3 best movies in cinema history… If EpVIII could be at least half as good it would be fantastic.

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

SW really had one political scene and that is when the officers are discussing the Emperor dissolving the Senate. Everything else we were taught about the political landscape was explained in the opening crawl.

Though I agree with you and also am a lover of TFA I must admit one of my issues with the film was the lack of political context.

Yeah I’m still hoping a deleted scene with yield some information about the political landscape. Has the details of the deleted scenes in the 3D Blu Ray release surfaced yet?

And I may be in the minority on this one but every line of fan service was gold to me. Like I honestly ate it up. I saw no issue with things like:

“Chewie, were home.”
“When did that ever help, and don’t say the Death Star.”

Love these two

“12!”

Idk, to me they are funny, fun lines for the fans.

but not this one. The first two seem very natural while the last one seems very forced. I do however like the “This is the Millennium Falcon!? You’re Han Solo!?” lines though.

EDIT:
Just popped in TFA blu Ray and finished the flick yet again and gotta say…FUCK THE HATE! I love TFA! It’s got problems and it leaves me wanting more but I think that means it did its job well. It makes me await the story of episode 8 even more and eventually all will be made clear. I’m so happy Star Wars is back in stunning fashion. Sorry to get emotional people…just never thought I’d see the big three back on screen again.

Haven’t seen it since May and I eagerly await the time in which I watch it again so I can see if my opinion of the movie still holds up since I haven’t seen it in a while. Also don’t let the hate effect you; just know that the people who hate this are a somewhat small but very vocal minority.

MalàStrana said:

• Opening crawl
• First exchange between Vader and Leia (and then with the Imperial officer)
• The long meeting with Tarkin
• The Ben/Luke sequence in Ben’s home (with Leia’s message)
• The Tarkin/Leia sequence
• And every little thing here and there that give an intuitive knowledge of who’s rulling the galaxy (stormtroopers who basically are the outer rim police; they have street spies; Starships; “that’s the real trick”; etc.)

ANH never lacks any useful information about what’s going on and who’s in charge, political context is in many sequences. It’s always crystal clear, nicely done, never boring or predictable, does not feel “obvious exposition”.

Yeah, now that you put it like that I absolutely agree with you. The real brilliance lies in the fact that a lot of the political stuff is sprinkled in as to not overload the audience with exposition. The movie can somehow never break it’s stride in regards to moving the plot forward and still give us bits and pieces in terms of world building. That’s just great film making.

It seems as though Rey will go through some type of emotional and/or physical trauma in Episode VIII based on this interview.

Hopefully it’s both as it would make for nice character building but I hope they do something new if they’re going to physically injure her. Preferably something like her getting stabbed as that hasn’t happened to the other main protagonists yet.

EDIT:

When I say main protagonists I mean Luke and Anakin.

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

It seems as though Rey will go through some type of emotional and/or physical trauma in Episode VIII based on this interview.

Hopefully it’s both as it would make for nice character building but I hope they do something new if they’re going to physically injure her. Preferably something like her getting stabbed as that hasn’t happened to the other main protagonists yet.

EDIT:

When I say main protagonists I mean Luke and Anakin.

Really good news. Last question of the interview about love makes it clear that Finn and Rey’s friendship holds steadfast throughout ep. 8.

It had better though I doubt they’ll meet until the 3rd act of the film. It’s probably going to be the Poe - Finn Bromance for the first 2/3 of it and I’m completely fine with that. The only problem I have is that I want Finn and Rey to get together in XI so the more screen time with them the better.

The big carrot that is dangling is the possibility Finn will find out Poe killed his friend. It’s possible however unlikely that could bring him back to the First Order or set him on a completely new path.

Yeah. Perhaps Poe is curious as to how the First Order operates and that we can get some insight into what Finn was feeling during his time growing up and when he was actually a full fledged trooper. This could also give a couple of more reasons as to why he defected…it’s not necessary but wanted.

I very much look forward to the Finn/Poe bromance (romance?) as I think there are many possibilities (and it’ll surely be great fun). Honestly their interactions and the Rey/Luke dynamic are by far the things I’m looking forward to the most.

The one unfortunate thing about TFA is that we never saw Rey and Poe meet. Surely they did, but off screen. Just a little frustrating that the new trio hasn’t completely had a proper introduction to each other and also who knows when we’ll actually get to see them as a trio (though the OT trio is together not all that often and the PT trio almost never).

I think Kathleen says Phasma is going to be badass in this one so I hate that they live up to that promise because both her and Kylo need to get their reprisals. I have a feeling Phasma may end up killing Poe.