Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 217

I have seen it speculated that having Rey & Kylo Ren being cousins isn’t nearly as dramatic as if they were siblings. I understand this thinking but let me add a little heft to the cousins plot line. If they are cousins then that means their parents are siblings (of course, Leia & Luke) and that potentially becomes much more powerful as Leia desires to save her son (Ben/Kylo) from Snoke while perhaps Luke desires to help his daughter (Rey) destroy Kylo & Snoke.

Potential dynamite ahead.

pittrek said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Well, seems like the TFA Blu-ray/DVD will be released April 5, 2016.
Abrams have also said that a good portion of the deleted scenes will be made available.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/12/star-wars-the-force-awakens-blu-ray-aiming-at-april-5-2016-release-date.html

So again only “a good portion of” the deleted scenes? Is he REALLY going to repeat the Star Trek Into Darkness home video fiasco ?

Abrams is hardly the guy making the calls here though? It seemed that he didn’t know what would make it into the Blu-ray, but that he had been told that some of it would be included. You can blame a director for a lot of things, but what makes it into the Blu-ray is rarely one of them.

Fun write up of said deleted scenes here:

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awkens-deleted-scenes/

TK428 said:

Fun write up of said deleted scenes here:

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awkens-deleted-scenes/

I’m not sure what this guys source is, but it’s interesting to read that the lightsaber in space thing was actually filmed.
And it seems like I was wrong about them not having filmed the earlier scenes with Leia talking about the Republic. At least the fan-edit guys will be very happy.

This was a very interesting little detail (specifically the last sentence);
"In the original script, Maz Kanata had Force powers. After the First Order begins their attack on the castle, Maz used her Force powers to cause the ceiling to cave in on a group of stormtroopers that had them cornered. In the sequence, Han Solo was forced to stall the stormtroopers to allow Maz to concentrate. There was a funny back and forth between him and the trooper. Han runs out of things to say so he rats out Finn, revealing that he recognized Finn’s stormtrooper boots — this is how he knew he wasn’t Resistance."

The novelization also seems to confirm that Kylo is aware of Vader’s redemption, but that Snoke has portrayed it as a moment of weakness that resulted in the fall of the Empire, hance Kylo struggle with the light side of the Force.

ZkinandBonez said:

TK428 said:

Fun write up of said deleted scenes here:

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awkens-deleted-scenes/

I’m sure what this guys source is, but it’s interesting to read that the lightsaber in space thing was actually filmed.

If it was actually filmed part of me has always felt that particular opening was to throw off potential plot leakers. Or, even more specifically, to identify those that might leak plot details by giving them false (read: fantastic) info.

The novelization also seems to confirm that Kylo is aware of Vader’s redemption, but that Snoke has portrayed it as a moment of weakness that resulted in the fall of the Empire, hance Kylo struggle with the light side of the Force.

Without that novelization explanation I would have also gone along with the theory that perhaps only Luke knew of Vader’s redemption since technically he was the only one in the room at the time and maybe that tidbit of information was never repeated.

That scene with the dialogue between Leia and Rey I wish was in the film to completely put to rest the notion that Rey still might be Han & Leia’s daughter. Also the scene with the Snowtroopers and Kylo on the Falcon would have been awesome. I would trade that for the Rathtars scene any day.

What’s wrong with the Rathars scene? It was probably the only fully original scene in the film.

Those monsters reminded me too much of Men In Black aliens shoehorned into a Star Wars film tbh.

ZkinandBonez said:

What’s wrong with the Rathars scene? It was probably the only fully original scene in the film.

I may be repeating myself but… it just took me out of the movie. CGI monsters swallowing characters whole.

TavorX said:

Those monsters reminded me too much of Men In Black aliens shoehorned into a Star Wars film tbh.

That’s one way to to put it, yea.

I’m pretty certain OT Tie Fighters were always one-manned fighters.

TK428 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

What’s wrong with the Rathars scene? It was probably the only fully original scene in the film.

I may be repeating myself but… it just took me out of the movie. CGI monsters swallowing characters whole.

Yeah I’m sorry, I think I’ve already asked you that questions a couple of times before. I’m having a hard time to differentiate the two TFA threads, not to mention who I’m talking to.

TK428 said:

TavorX said:

Those monsters reminded me too much of Men In Black aliens shoehorned into a Star Wars film tbh.

That’s one way to to put it, yea.

I don’t really see that. What exactly is a proper SW monster then?

I mean just look at some of the creatures from Han’s holochess, if any of them had appeared as actual creatures in an SW film they’d look a heck of a lot weirder than the Rathars did.

I do however agree that the CGI was a bit dull, but it’s 2015 so I hardly expected stop-motion creatures. Also Abrams isn’t enough of a risk-taker to achieve the kind of practical effects that some directors are currently managing.

SilverWook said:

The Holochess aliens in TFA were stop motion though. 😃

I know, that’s were I got that picture from; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sexd06I8mzg

@SilverWook

Yeah, I don’t mind the design changes myself either. But I am really curious if these new Tie’s can do hyperspace. To be frank, I’d rather they couldn’t since their design seemed inherently incapable of storing a hyperdrive compared to X-Wing class ships.

@ZkinandBonez

Well to be fair, the holochess bit is pretty small scale to begin with.
When it comes to creatures interacting with characters, that’s when it matters. It’s hard for me to describe it. To me, there tends to be this consistent look to creatures in Star Wars. Humanoid alien creatures blend in, and more off the wall creatures are shown little of themselves which creates a nice illusion of seeming real but at the same time, even if they’re gimmicky, you can’t see the full thing (A New Hope garbage compactor, Empire’s Wampa scene pre-SE, and RotJ Sarlacc pre-SE/rancor). So in TFA, that particular creature comes across as extreme cheese when you see this hyper active slimy squid monster comically drag away Finn in a MiB like way.

However, this is all to preference understandably. It isn’t really that much of a big deal anyway since it bares little impact on the film overall.