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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 194

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towne32 said:

Starkiller origin point is interesting. The movement of the Death Star was always pretty ambiguous (although I bet the EU explained it in great detail). What if Starkiller has light speed engines?

I don’t want to say “I have a theory” because I don’t think I really believe it, but I’ve speculated that Starkiller stays in one place and can somehow fire it’s laser through hyperspace.

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Tobar said:

UGH, they kept the Unknown Regions as a giant blot that reaches right next to the Galactic Core. So DUMB.

I’ve always maintained that the Unknown Regions should have been one of the spiral arms of the galaxy. At least that would have made some sense.

Good EU elements stay in limbo, bad/pointless EU elements get re-canonized.

“Happy Halloween, ladies!”

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Amazon France let the track listing for the soundtrack slip: http://www.amazon.fr/Star-Wars-7-Bande-Originale/dp/B014V6JIQK/

  1. Main title and the attack on the jakku village
  2. The scavenger
  3. I can fly anything
  4. Rey meets bb-8
  5. Follow me
  6. Rey’s thème
  7. The falcon
  8. That girl with the staff
  9. The rathtars!
  10. Finn’s confession
  11. Maz’s counsel
  12. The starkiller
  13. Kylo ren arrives at the battle
  14. The abduction
  15. Han and leia
  16. March of the resistance
  17. Snoke
  18. On the inside
  19. Torn apart
  20. The ways of the force
  21. Scherzo for X-wings
  22. Farewell and the trip
  23. The jedi steps and finale

If this is real it’s a pretty significant leak. Looks to be pretty much in line with the MSW outline.

EDIT: The more I see this discussed elsewhere on the internet, the less confident I am in its legitimacy. Take it with a grain of salt.

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joefavs said:

And here’s something really interesting. Empire Magazine gives us our first canonical map of the galaxy:
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Tobar said:

UGH, they kept the Unknown Regions as a giant blot that reaches right next to the Galactic Core. So DUMB.

I’ve always maintained that the Unknown Regions should have been one of the spiral arms of the galaxy. At least that would have made some sense.

Hasn’t it always been like that in SW canon though?


Link:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20535561/SW Galaxy map.jpg

I googled it and I really can’t find a map where the unknown regions aren’t like that. It seems more like they’ve just removed a bunch of planets from the old map and added a few new ones.
I could be wrong though, it’s hard to back-track the canon on Wookieepedia.

Does anyone know what the first map of the SW galaxy looked like?
EDIT: It’s from 1999 and looked like this; http://i1.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/star-wars-njo-map.jpg?fit=429%2C 9999&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C321px

(PS. why is Bespin and Hoth right next to each other in both maps? Didn’t Han refer to it as being “far away” when they were hiding in the asteroid field in the Hoth system?)

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^Far because they didn’t have a hyperdrive. For them to get there without lightspeed and have it not take years the two planets would have to be right on top of each other.

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joefavs said:

^Far because they didn’t have a hyperdrive. For them to get there without lightspeed and have it not take years the two planets would have to be right on top of each other.

Right, forgot about that.

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joefavs said:

towne32 said:

Starkiller origin point is interesting. The movement of the Death Star was always pretty ambiguous (although I bet the EU explained it in great detail). What if Starkiller has light speed engines?

I don’t want to say “I have a theory” because I don’t think I really believe it, but I’ve speculated that Starkiller stays in one place and can somehow fire it’s laser through hyperspace.

I bet it could hit Qo’noS…

The blue elephant in the room.

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joefavs said:

Amazon France let the track listing for the soundtrack slip: http://www.amazon.fr/Star-Wars-7-Bande-Originale/dp/B014V6JIQK/

  1. Main title and the attack on the jakku village
  2. The scavenger
  3. I can fly anything
  4. Rey meets bb-8
  5. Follow me
  6. Rey’s thème
  7. The falcon
  8. That girl with the staff
  9. The rathtars!
  10. Finn’s confession
  11. Maz’s counsel
  12. The starkiller
  13. Kylo ren arrives at the battle
  14. The abduction
  15. Han and leia
  16. March of the resistance
  17. Snoke
  18. On the inside
  19. Torn apart
  20. The ways of the force
  21. Scherzo for X-wings
  22. Farewell and the trip
  23. The jedi steps and finale

If this is real it’s a pretty significant leak. Looks to be pretty much in line with the MSW outline.

EDIT: The more I see this discussed elsewhere on the internet, the less confident I am in its legitimacy. Take it with a grain of salt.

The track list has been removed from the French and Italian Amazon sites. It could be real and released too soon, but I’m guessing it’s fake. Also, albums arranged by Williams are usually less than 20 tracks. Another indication that it’s at least not final or fake. They may still be arranging the album.

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Kind of interesting;
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/11/empire-reveals-the-name-of-a-new-planet-from-star-wars-the-force-awakens.html

"The guys from StarWars-Union.de have a very interesting theory on Starkiller base and its location. They compared the new map with an old one and discovered that the planets Ord Mantell and Rakata Prime fit directly with the same planets from the new star map. And Starkiller base is located where previously another ice planet stood – Ilum!"

Also, Spielberg have apparently already seen TFA three times!
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/11/daisy-ridley-to-glamour-magazine-steven-spielberg-has-seen-the-force-awakens-3-times.html

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Simon Pegg has confirmed in Empire magazine that the robohanded individual from the second trailer is Luke. Also mentioned that he watched the scene being filmed alongside Mark’s family.

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Hmm, well Ilum is canon according to Clone Wars so that makes a lot of sense.

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towne32 said:

Simon Pegg has confirmed in Empire magazine that the robohanded individual from the second trailer is Luke. Also mentioned that he watched the scene being filmed alongside Mark’s family.

I wonder if this is actually the rumored flashback scene?

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I didn’t know there was a rumored flashback scene. I know a lot of people were needlessly freaking out about the idea of one (waah, it’s not Star Wars with flashbacks!) because Carrie’s daughter was cast, and people assumed she would play young Leia. Since we’ve seen her in a shot with Leia, it’s obviously not the case.

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towne32 said:

I didn’t know there was a rumored flashback scene. I know a lot of people were needlessly freaking out about the idea of one (waah, it’s not Star Wars with flashbacks!) because Carrie’s daughter was cast, and people assumed she would play young Leia. Since we’ve seen her in a shot with Leia, it’s obviously not the case.

Maybe that’s my confusion. I thought a site was reporting a flashback a year ago, but it could have just been speculation after Fisher’s daughter was confirmed to be involved. She may not even have any speaking lines.

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ZkinandBonez said:

joefavs said:

And here’s something really interesting. Empire Magazine gives us our first canonical map of the galaxy:
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Tobar said:

UGH, they kept the Unknown Regions as a giant blot that reaches right next to the Galactic Core. So DUMB.

I’ve always maintained that the Unknown Regions should have been one of the spiral arms of the galaxy. At least that would have made some sense.

Hasn’t it always been like that in SW canon though?

It’s still stupid.

It takes Yoda – what? – a couple hours to take a trip from Coruscant to Moraband, but no one from Coruscant’s ever sent explorers into the Unknown Regions, which is significantly closer to Coruscant than Moraband is?

Personally, I feel that when the powers-that-be decided to reintroduce the Unknown Regions, either the Unknown and Known Regions of the galaxy should have swapped places (making the Republic/Empire/etc. a smaller corner of a larger, unexplored galaxy) or the Unknown Regions should have been made to completely surround the Known Regions, like a ring.

“Happy Halloween, ladies!”

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Ask Pablo Hildalgo this, he helped write the map and knows all about all these things. @pablohidalgo on twitter, yes he has been known to answer.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

joefavs said:

And here’s something really interesting. Empire Magazine gives us our first canonical map of the galaxy:
Alt text

Tobar said:

UGH, they kept the Unknown Regions as a giant blot that reaches right next to the Galactic Core. So DUMB.

I’ve always maintained that the Unknown Regions should have been one of the spiral arms of the galaxy. At least that would have made some sense.

Hasn’t it always been like that in SW canon though?

It’s still stupid.

It takes Yoda – what? – a couple hours to take a trip from Coruscant to Moraband, but no one from Coruscant’s ever sent explorers into the Unknown Regions, which is significantly closer to Coruscant than Moraband is?

Personally, I feel that when the powers-that-be decided to reintroduce the Unknown Regions, either the Unknown and Known Regions of the galaxy should have swapped places (making the Republic/Empire/etc. a smaller corner of a larger, unexplored galaxy) or the Unknown Regions should have been made to completely surround the Known Regions, like a ring.

It is a bit odd, but then again we had Vikings in real life travelling as far as to the Midlle East (possibly even China), yet hardly anyone ever thought about travelling across the Atlantic ocean. Once you’ve established trade-routes in one direction, you usually have very few reasons to travel in the other direction. It’s just a waste of time and money.

Also is there any canon-for how long these journeys really take? For all we know a trip from Coruscant to Moraband might take days, if not weeks. And even if it doesn’t take that long, it does help to have light-speed when you know exactly what planet you’re aiming for. Space is mostly just emptiness, and exploring the Unknown Regions regardless of how close the borders are would still just be a very slow sub-light-speed scan of mostly empty space. When the other half of the galaxy is explored, why waste your time and money on the other?

Having said that, however, I would have preferred it to be a little bit further away from the core. But it also does kind of make sense, so I’m not going to waste any effort getting annoyed at it.
I would however be very interested to hear why they specifically decided to design the SW-galaxy like that. I still find it an oddly specific thing to add to the canon.

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All you have to do is say that it’s an area of the galaxy with few or hard-to-chart hyperspace lanes, and problem solved

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From IGN:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/11/27/3-exclusive-retro-posters-for-star-wars-the-force-awakens? hub page&utm_content=2

We have three brand new, old school-style posters for Star Wars: The Force Awakens to share with you today.

These exclusive retro one-sheets are a throwback to the promotional posters used to herald the arrival of Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope back in 1977.

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“This will begin to make things right.” Lor San Tekka

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Very nice!

But am I the only one who initially saw the second one as saying “jar jar away”? o_O

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Dang Illuminati. Still putting subliminal messages in our movie posters.

“Happy Halloween, ladies!”

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What ever happened to the 3 other illustrated IMAX posters that were supposed to come out? I thought they were going to do one a week.

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Those will be available one for each Sunday the first month the film is out.

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