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I find it more likely that Max von Sydow is playing old Anakin (that somehow survived) than him playing Boba Fett. Max von Sydow is taller than Jeremy Bulloch and has more physical resemblance to Hayden Christensen and Sebastian Shaw than to Temuera Morrison or Daniel Logan.

... And before you flame me: when I say "more likely", mean just more likely, not that it is actually likely. I don't find either of these ridiculous ideas to be entirely implausible though, knowing Lucasfilm and Disney... I would boo out loud in the movie theatre if either idea wound up in the movie, and many would do so with me.

Edit: Frak this forum software that messes with font sizes all the time!!! How goddamn difficult is it going to be to write REGULAR text!? ARGH!"

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Akton said:

But it suddenly (concord) dawned on me

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I really, really hope Boba Fett doesn't show up again. Frankly, I'm sick of that character. All his coolness has been squeezed out of him by the PT and the EU. Not to mention that it would be more pointless universe shrinkage. We shouldn't see the same set of characters every single movie, beyond the main characters, of course...of which Boba Fett was not one.

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He could also just be a new character who has similar armor. We've already seen an extra wearing a black OT style trooper helmet.

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RicOlie_2 said:

I really, really hope Boba Fett doesn't show up again. Frankly, I'm sick of that character. All his coolness has been squeezed out of him by the PT and the EU. Not to mention that it would be more pointless universe shrinkage. We shouldn't see the same set of characters every single movie, beyond the main characters, of course...of which Boba Fett was not one.

Exactly. The problem I have with it isn't the fact that it's implausible he survived, but that it's implausible he'd happen to have a role in the stories involving our principal characters again. It would be universe shrinkage for the sake of fan service IMO.

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Focusing on a core group of characters isn't universe shrinkage.

Falstaff appearing across a group of plays doesn't make Shakespeare's oeuvre smaller. It's enriching it with detail over brevity.

It is 100% fan service but fan service can be done well it doesn't have to be to the general PT level of naffness.

Adding new characters however is universe enlargement.

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As I wrote, main characters don't count in that regard. Relatively minor characters, like Boba Fett, do. It isn't as if he is part of the group of heroes, or even the Rebels. He isn't even part of the Empire. He's a freelance bounty hunter who should have no further part in the story. Even having him in the PT was a bit too much.

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As long as Max Von Sydow isn't wasted on Boba Fett, I don't care.

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He's probably playing Ric Olie. ;)

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Oh please oh please oh please.

If Boba Fett survived, I don't see why Olie couldn't have. ;-)

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Universe shrinkage is when characters keep running into each other without an in-universe explanation, not when characters are continually focused on.

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darklordoftech said:

Universe shrinkage is when characters keep running into each other without an in-universe explanation, not when characters are continually focused on.

When a minor character just HAPPENS to run into our primary characters again, or is somehow involved in major events concerning them, a full 30 YEARS LATER no less, that IS universe shrinkage. 

Bear in mind, this wasn't a main antagonist integral to the plot. This was a mercenary who until the Prequels was only significant in the one movie.

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brash_stryker said:

darklordoftech said:

Universe shrinkage is when characters keep running into each other without an in-universe explanation, not when characters are continually focused on.

When a minor character just HAPPENS to run into our primary characters again, or is somehow involved in major events concerning them, a full 30 YEARS LATER no less, that IS universe shrinkage. 

Bear in mind, this wasn't a main antagonist integral to the plot. This was a mercenary who until the Prequels was only significant in the one movie.

I was responding to Bingowings.

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darklordoftech said:

brash_stryker said:

darklordoftech said:

Universe shrinkage is when characters keep running into each other without an in-universe explanation, not when characters are continually focused on.

When a minor character just HAPPENS to run into our primary characters again, or is somehow involved in major events concerning them, a full 30 YEARS LATER no less, that IS universe shrinkage. 

Bear in mind, this wasn't a main antagonist integral to the plot. This was a mercenary who until the Prequels was only significant in the one movie.

I was responding to Bingowings.

 *Facepalm* 

Guess we're in agreement then. Move along.

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Bingowings said:


Adding new characters however is universe enlargement.

 Hawt.

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If Boba was still in business, and somebody needed someone found, he's probably the one you call first. And bounty hunters work for anyone who's paying, not just the bad guys.

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SilverWook said:

If Boba was still in business, and somebody needed someone found, he's probably the one you call first. And bounty hunters work for anyone who's paying, not just the bad guys.

Are you basing that on something written about him being the best in the galaxy? Because IMO the only thing that should be relied upon is what we SEE in a movie. And what we see is him hired alongside other bounty hunters with no preferential treatment, happening to be the one who gets lucky, and then going out like a bitch in the next movie. Doesn't immediately scream "the one you call first" IMO.

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Vader did call him that in the Holiday Special. ;)

It's not luck, it's skill. Fett knew the Falcon was hiding somewhere close by. You didn't see the other bounty hunters hanging around in the garbage field.

Fett unfortunately was drunk off his ass on Jabba's barge. That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it. :P

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Bingowings said:

Focusing on a core group of characters isn't universe shrinkage.

Falstaff appearing across a group of plays doesn't make Shakespeare's oeuvre smaller. It's enriching it with detail over brevity.

It is 100% fan service but fan service can be done well it doesn't have to be to the general PT level of naffness.

Adding new characters however is universe enlargement.

 Very salient points.

And, lest anyone forget, Boba Fett's very creation as a character was a kind of fan service... His appearance in the Holiday Special was, in essence, a fan service two years ahead of his first proper film appearance. What I'm hoping for in his possible inclusion in TFA, and his possible portrayal by an actor of such gravitas as Max Von Sydow, is to finally see some substantive incorporation of the character into the Saga; to justify the hype machine created around him that's nearly as old as the franchise itself. That'd be the very opposite of mere fan service. To me, fan service is Han Solo saying "I always shoot first" or some such stupid (but hopefully not inevitable) thing.

There's room in this Saga to give this pivotal character a decent sendoff to make up for the disgraceful one he was given 32 years ago. There are more than enough new characters and worlds in this film to allay any fears of "universe shrinkage," in my estimation.

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Akton said:

Bingowings said:

Focusing on a core group of characters isn't universe shrinkage.

Falstaff appearing across a group of plays doesn't make Shakespeare's oeuvre smaller. It's enriching it with detail over brevity.

It is 100% fan service but fan service can be done well it doesn't have to be to the general PT level of naffness.

Adding new characters however is universe enlargement.

 Very salient points.

And, lest anyone forget, Boba Fett's very creation as a character was a kind of fan service... His appearance in the Holiday Special was, in essence, a fan service two years ahead of his first proper film appearance. What I'm hoping for in his possible inclusion in TFA, and his possible portrayal by an actor of such gravitas as Max Von Sydow, is to finally see some substantive incorporation of the character into the Saga; to justify the hype machine created around him that's nearly as old as the franchise itself. That'd be the very opposite of mere fan service. To me, fan service is Han Solo saying "I always shoot first" or some such stupid (but hopefully not inevitable) thing.

 Ugh, that potential Han line would be awful. :(

And his appearance in the HS is not fan service; it's promotion.

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timdiggerm said:

Akton said:

Bingowings said:

Focusing on a core group of characters isn't universe shrinkage.

Falstaff appearing across a group of plays doesn't make Shakespeare's oeuvre smaller. It's enriching it with detail over brevity.

It is 100% fan service but fan service can be done well it doesn't have to be to the general PT level of naffness.

Adding new characters however is universe enlargement.

 Very salient points.

And, lest anyone forget, Boba Fett's very creation as a character was a kind of fan service... His appearance in the Holiday Special was, in essence, a fan service two years ahead of his first proper film appearance. What I'm hoping for in his possible inclusion in TFA, and his possible portrayal by an actor of such gravitas as Max Von Sydow, is to finally see some substantive incorporation of the character into the Saga; to justify the hype machine created around him that's nearly as old as the franchise itself. That'd be the very opposite of mere fan service. To me, fan service is Han Solo saying "I always shoot first" or some such stupid (but hopefully not inevitable) thing.

 Ugh, that potential Han line would be awful. :(

And his appearance in the HS is not fan service; it's promotion.

 

I don't see the two as necessarily mutually exclusive. Fan service is characterized by its gratuitousness and if there's one word that describes the pre-ESB Boba Fett hype campaign, it's "gratuitous."

In any case, I think we can agree that pretty much every iteration of Boba Fett post-ROTJ (his death scene in which being a famous example of fan disservice) has been little to nothing more than fan service (the most egregious example being his fourth wall-breaking, composited cameo in the SW SE). That's why I'd like to see his elderly self play a pivotal role in the events of this first episode of the Sequel Trilogy, so much the better if he's played sans helmet and armor by Max Von Sydow...

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Kirk probably caught it.

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ray_afraid said:

Any speculation on who got the lightsaber Luke lost at Cloud City and how they got it?
I find it hard to believe that it survived... Either it fell down to the bottom of that shaft and smashed, or went out a vent like Luke and fell to Bespin... and smashed.

Luke's hand became sentient, dropped off the lightsaber to some scary dude, traveled back (or forward?!) in time, and decided to star in a hit TV show.

Oh, shit!

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ray_afraid said:

Any speculation on who got the lightsaber Luke lost at Cloud City and how they got it?

It got stuck in a filter. When the pool boy eventually came to clean it out, he found it lodged in there.